[OB] Shallan & Blades

[waynegrantham]

Since answers may range into spoilers, starting thread here.

This ? May be answered else where, please redirect. 

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She was helpless.
Except…
Storms! she thought, frantic. I can’t use that. I promised myself.
She began the process anyway. Ten heartbeats, to bring forth the fruit of her sin, the proceeds of her most horrific act. She was interrupted midway through by a voice, uncanny yet distinct:
What are you?

We now all assume this to be Pattern, but why the 10 heartbeats? Because of common perception? Does she know she can .draw. Pattern quicker now?

Was the glow locked up in office only her visualization of her powers or infused PatternDagger Actually locked up.

If quoted blade really took 10 hb, has she also bonded a dead blade?

Random Thoughts, while I in futileness repeat I will not (haha) read the next chapter, I will wait (ROFL) for the whole book.

WG

Edited September 26, 2017 by waynegrantham

[Calderis he/him]

It's because she believed she required 10 heartbeats. She admits what she is now, so it should no longer be an issue. 

[17th Splinter he/him]

This probably should be on the SA board but its perfectly fine. And even after being ninja'd by @Calderis, yes she couldn't summon it instantly because she didn't think she could. 

[waynegrantham]

5 minutes ago, Calderis said:

...should no longer be an issue. 

Was tired of all the Adolin evil and shaldin-ship.

Figured I'd toss a softball out : )

@Calderis but ... Do we have on screen insta-draw of Pattern? 

 

Edited September 26, 2017 by waynegrantham

[17th Splinter he/him]

5 minutes ago, waynegrantham said:

Was tired of all the Adolin evil and shaldin-ship.

Figured I'd toss a softball out : )

@Calderis but ... Do we have on screen insta-draw of Pattern? 

 

I'm not Calderis but a the end of WoR she "insta-draws" Pattern to activate the Oathgate.

"There is a problem with your blade, and all other blades-except mine (summons Pattern)" 

Its something like that.

[waynegrantham]

Just now, 17th Splinter said:

I'm not Calderis but a the end of WoR she "insta-draws" Pattern to activate the Oathgate.

"There is a problem with your blade, and all other blades-except mine (summons Pattern)" 

Its something like that.

I remember that, just did a reread, but didn't feel confident it was or wasnt.

The 10 hb could have happened while the others were trying...

[Dlyol]

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'He wasn't like other Shardblades; she acknowledged that now. He could come more quickly than the ten requisite heartbeats'

WOR - Chapter 88 The Man Who Owned The Winds

This is pretty explicit @waynegrantham

[lastofus]

The reason that Kaladin's scares/slave marks etc doesn't heal is because Kaladin believes them to a part of him. 

Lopen regrew an arm because he didn't want/believe.

Brandon said that if you had a honorblade but didn't know what it would do, it would act as a priceless but ordinary shardblade.

And Shallan wanted 10 heartbeat because accepting to have a precious dead shardblade was better than being a radiant. 

But in the end, hers was the only one who didn't scream. 

Oh and the one @Dlyol posted as well.

[+robardin he/him]

Hmm. Didn't Szeth need ten heartbeats to summon his Honorblade? And so did Darkness/Nale, apparently, since he chats for a bit with Ym and with Lift before his Blade appears, wet with condensation, and "dropping" rather than "appearing" into his hand.

So whatever bond is needed betwen Honorblade and wielder is akin to a "dead" sprenblade, that needs "reviving" each time. (Maybe because Honor was killed/Spilntered.)

 

 

[Steeldancer he/him]

32 minutes ago, robardin said:

Hmm. Didn't Szeth need ten heartbeats to summon his Honorblade? And so did Darkness/Nale, apparently, since he chats for a bit with Ym and with Lift before his Blade appears, wet with condensation, and "dropping" rather than "appearing" into his hand.

So whatever bond is needed betwen Honorblade and wielder is akin to a "dead" sprenblade, that needs "reviving" each time. (Maybe because Honor was killed/Spilntered.)

 

 

That was also perception. It didn't need to be 10 heartbeats

[+robardin he/him]

15 minutes ago, Steeldancer said:

That was also perception. It didn't need to be 10 heartbeats

Maybe for Szeth (if for some reason, the Shin didn't preserve knowledge about the Honorblades not needing ten heartbeats), but surely Nalan would have exhibited the ability to summon his Blade instantly, yet it seems he needs ten heartbeats as well. (Though it's not certain - maybe he just likes to monologue or pause dramatically for about ten seconds when he's about to kill someone.)

 

[Salkara]

2 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

That was also perception. It didn't need to be 10 heartbeats

And yet, I've seen many people espouse theories which take for granted that the Shin have tons of arcane knowledge. If they know so much about Honorblades, then why did Szeth take 10 heartbeats to summon his?

[Calderis he/him]

3 hours ago, Salkara said:

And yet, I've seen many people espouse theories which take for granted that the Shin have tons of arcane knowledge. If they know so much about Honorblades, then why did Szeth take 10 heartbeats to summon his?

The Shin are aware that the Honorblades grant surgebinding. How they figured that out, and the extent of that knowledge we don't know Szeth's perception makes the fact that they believe ten heartbeats are needed obvious though. 

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Questioner

Are Shin who are not Truthless allowed to use the Honorblades?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

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MACROS

Based on what we know currently about the ten heartbeats, why does Szeth require ten heartbeats to bring forth his Honorblade?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Perception is a very important part of how these things all work, and remember, the Honorblades work differently from everything else. Everything was based upon them. Why don’t you read and find out what’s going on there, but remember, the characters’ perception is very important.

MACROS

So then that’s why at one point Shallan requires ten heartbeats and now she doesn’t.

BRANDON SANDERSON

Right, just like—it’s the exact same reason why Kaladin’s forehead wounds don’t heal, because he views himself as need—as having those, somewhere deep inside of him, and that can’t heal until that goes away. And it’s the same reason why in Warbreaker, when you bring something to life your intention, rather than really what you say, is what matters. It’s all about perception.

 

[Salkara]

1 minute ago, Calderis said:

The Shin are aware that the Honorblades grant surgebinding. How they figured that out, and the extent of that knowledge we don't know Szeth's perception makes the fact that they believe ten heartbeats are needed obvious though.

Yeah, I agree. I guess what I'm saying is that while it's clear they know stuff others don't, it's also clear there's plenty they don't understand. We shouldn't assume they know everything.