Steeldancer he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I want to know why glyphs appear on shardplate / shardblades. Why don't they just glow omnidirectionally? Why in specific glyphs? It's just so organized. Why that shape for that order? I want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Probably they started from the KR's perception of their status/role. You May notice that Kal himself produced a Glyph when he Spoke the third Oath 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeros Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 This along with the color codes likely relates to whatever it is Ishar did when he reshaped the nahel bonds and created the oaths radiant orders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted September 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 6 hours ago, Yata said: Probably they started from the KR's perception of their status/role. You May notice that Kal himself produced a Glyph when he Spoke the third Oath That confused me. Did he KNOW the glyph for the Windrunners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: That confused me. Did he KNOW the glyph for the Windrunners? Well yes and no. I think anyone who knows glyphs knows these glyphs. They're associated with more than just the Orders. They're also associated with the essences. All ten glyphs are on Elhokars Shardblade, Sunraiser, and they're called "The Ten Fundamental Glyphs." so there's definitely more here than just a glyph of an order. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldancer he/him Posted September 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Then my question remains. Who developed the first glyphs? Who had the idea of expressing them on their shard blade and plate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjl Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 I think a slightly more fundamental underlying topic here is - how is surgebinding such a structured and regulated system - it's like a magic system planned out by a designer with checks and controls included it does not seem possible for it to have organically grown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tai'shar-Malkier Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, rjl said: I think a slightly more fundamental underlying topic here is - how is surgebinding such a structured and regulated system - it's like a magic system planned out by a designer with checks and controls included it does not seem possible for it to have organically grown. Iirc it was designed by Honor with the Heralds and the honorblades then the spren leaned how to copy it and bonded with humans to make the radiants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 16 hours ago, Tai'shar-Malkier said: Iirc it was designed by Honor with the Heralds and the honorblades then the spren leaned how to copy it and bonded with humans to make the radiants Except the Honorblade's surgebinding doesn't not work in that way. The Honorblade has no check or further development, you grab one and everything is done. By the way, the Surgebinding wasn't designed by Honor and as all the Cosmere's magic arose naturally from Shardic's Investiture and the planet. The KR seem to be a further development from the initial Surgebinding (that I assume was more "Honorblade like" ) to a codificated way to progress in it. I believe Ishar had a role in that maybe thanks to His knowledge of Realmatic he bound the Spren to some rules and the rules spread thanks to the perception. Honor offered to the Heralds tools to mechanically access the Surgebinding system but it's not "more true" than the Radiant's one....Both are derivated by the same "original system" but we don't see it yet (and probably we will not ever see it as the KR replaced it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 @Yata not technically true (i think). I seem to recall that you cannot use the surges by accident, as in you need to know that the blade is an Honourblade first, and not just think it is a regular Shardblade. However i can't remember if this is still accurate as my WoB memory very hazy, so don't quote me on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, ParadoxicalZen said: @Yata not technically true (i think). I seem to recall that you cannot use the surges by accident, as in you need to know that the blade is an Honourblade first, and not just think it is a regular Shardblade. However i can't remember if this is still accurate as my WoB memory very hazy, so don't quote me on this In this you have right, but this is mainly true for all the Cosmere's magic. By the way, Honorblades seem "only" Shardblade-class Fabrials, they are categorizated as "mechanical way to access surges" and in those kind of scenarios, I imagine your Mind has a major role as the Ability is not in your Soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lol_king he/him Posted September 24, 2017 Report Share Posted September 24, 2017 I think the glyphs developed as a representation of the ideals of each Order. We don't actually need anyone to consciously make them. I mean we have the spren who are said to be living ideas and they have their own civilization so i don't think it's that far fetched. They are also very much into emulating human behavior so maybe they made the glyphs themselves a representation of the orders similar to how humans make glyphs to represent them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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