asterion137 he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 If the Stone Shamans show up in Oathbringer, can Dalinar&Co. fend them off? Or are they better off just surrendering the honorblade? What if Jasnah, Kaladin, and maybe Szeth show up to help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Well they have around 7 Honorblades, and presumably know how to use them. Dalinar & Co might not do so well, unless they were somehow able to control the fight so that they could use the Honorblades's ridiculous Stormlight needs against them. Though when your enemy has access to all the Surges but Gravitation, I don't know how you could control the fight against them. Also, they'd probably outnumber the Radiants considerably, with only Shallan and Renarin able to summon Blades, and neither one very skilled at swordplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormrunner1730 Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I cannot wait for this encounter. I'm betting that Nale/Nalan shows up and helps Dalinar and Co. That would be a gamechanger. It would also force the Stone Shamans to face the reality that the Heralds are back (well, most of them never "left", but that's an entirely different discussion), and that a Desolation is coming. This might also officially exonerate Szeth, as I'm making a pretty educated guess that his banishment as Truthless had to do with him proclaiming that the Radiants/Heralds/Voidbringers were returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, Stormrunner1730 said: This might also officially exonerate Szeth, as I'm making a pretty educated guess that his banishment as Truthless had to do with him proclaiming that the Radiants/Heralds/Voidbringers were returning. I think this has already happened. I think everything with the Stone Shamans is going to go very very differently than everyone thinks. Szeth states that the Shamans have a way to know when he dropped his Blade, and recover it. We don't know what that means is, but we are sure it exists. I think that that doesn't target Jezrien's blade specifically but just the Honorblades. So when Taln showed up at the end if tWoK and released his Blade, I think the Stone Shamans thought that something had killed Szeth. The missing Honorblade was a switch made by the Shamans and when they recovered the blade, a blade obviously not Szeth's, they became fully aware that Szeth was correct and that they never should have made him Truthless. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyrindor he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Calderis said: I think this has already happened. I think everything with the Stone Shamans is going to go very very differently than everyone thinks. Szeth states that the Shamans have a way to know when he dropped his Blade, and recover it. We don't know what that means is, but we are sure it exists. I think that that doesn't target Jezrien's blade specifically but just the Honorblades. So when Taln showed up at the end if tWoK and released his Blade, I think the Stone Shamans thought that something had killed Szeth. The missing Honorblade was a switch made by the Shamans and when they recovered the blade, a blade obviously not Szeth's, they became fully aware that Szeth was correct and that they never should have made him Truthless. Wow, I haven't thought of this. Not only does it sound likely, but it sounds awesome. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Calderis said: I think that that doesn't target Jezrien's blade specifically but just the Honorblades. So when Taln showed up at the end if tWoK and released his Blade, I think the Stone Shamans thought that something had killed Szeth. The missing Honorblade was a switch made by the Shamans and when they recovered the blade, a blade obviously not Szeth's, they became fully aware that Szeth was correct and that they never should have made him Truthless. That is some seriously good stuff. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby_H Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 The depth and complexity of this series never fails to continuously amaze me... Great realization Claderis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 If @Calderis is right (which I think he is), the Shamans will still want Jezriens Blade. I think they could have a fair chance at winning, unless Nale shows up. Which I hope happens. #naleredemptionarc2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulk he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: If @Calderis is right (which I think he is), the Shamans will still want Jezriens Blade. I think they could have a fair chance at winning, unless Nale shows up. Which I hope happens. #naleredemptionarc2017 or Jezrien himself... I almost envision this Excalibur (or something like it) moment where he picks up the sword, you see the glint in his eye and everyone says oh, &^%$ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Calderis said: I think this has already happened. I think everything with the Stone Shamans is going to go very very differently than everyone thinks. Szeth states that the Shamans have a way to know when he dropped his Blade, and recover it. We don't know what that means is, but we are sure it exists. I think that that doesn't target Jezrien's blade specifically but just the Honorblades. So when Taln showed up at the end if tWoK and released his Blade, I think the Stone Shamans thought that something had killed Szeth. The missing Honorblade was a switch made by the Shamans and when they recovered the blade, a blade obviously not Szeth's, they became fully aware that Szeth was correct and that they never should have made him Truthless. I like your idea, but could they have had enough time for that? They would need at least three Honorblades - one with Transportation to take them as close as possible to (not)Taln's location, another with Gravitation since we know from Jasnah she couldn't make it to Alethkar itself, only relatively close, and then finally a Blade with Illumination to hide themselves and switch the Honorblade with a Shardblade. Even if that was theoretically doable, they have no Honorblade with gravitation, I'm skeptical sliding would be fast enough. Yes, Szeth was 100% sure they'd go and retrieve his Blade, he never said anything about doing it fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Just now, Aleksiel said: I like your idea, but could they have had enough time for that? They would need at least three Honorblades - one with Transportation to take them as close as possible to (not)Taln's location, another with Gravitation since we know from Jasnah she couldn't make it to Alethkar itself, only relatively close, and then finally a Blade with Illumination to hide themselves and switch the Honorblade with a Shardblade. Even if that was theoretically doable, they have no Honorblade with gravitation, I'm skeptical sliding would be fast enough. Yes, Szeth was 100% sure they'd go and retrieve his Blade, he never said anything about doing it fast. Jasnah wasn't able to transition out of Shadesmar because she was stuck in the Cognitive Realm without Stormlight and needed to find a stable exit point. She didn't get to choose where she came out. With Stormlight and the surge of transportation, the shamans should be able to use transportation to teleport directly like the Oathgates. Transportation is supposed to be a somewhat imprecise surge, so I don't know how close they could get, but they would not be as limited as Jasnah was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Just now, Calderis said: Jasnah wasn't able to transition out of Shadesmar because she was stuck in the Cognitive Realm without Stormlight and needed to find a stable exit point. She didn't get to choose where she came out. With Stormlight and the surge of transportation, the shamans should be able to use transportation to teleport directly like the Oathgates. Transportation is supposed to be a somewhat imprecise surge, so I don't know how close they could get, but they would not be as limited as Jasnah was. The way I read it once you enter physically you need a particular point, not every point on Roshar is available for elsecalling. I base this on what her spren told Jasnah in Shadesmar. I have some faint memory about the surge not working as before, but I might be confusing it with soulcasting since I couldn't find WoB for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 28 minutes ago, Aleksiel said: The way I read it once you enter physically you need a particular point, not every point on Roshar is available for elsecalling. I base this on what her spren told Jasnah in Shadesmar. I have some faint memory about the surge not working as before, but I might be confusing it with soulcasting since I couldn't find WoB for this. You may be right, but I took it as she couldn't simply exit, she'd have to have the Stormlight necessary to create an exit, which she didn't. Due to that fact, she needed a natural perpendicularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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