[OB] I did not die...

[Head Crabs]

So i tend to agree with some theorists proposing that the in book, book, Oathbringer is being written by jasnah. The line that stuck out the most was "I did not die. I experienced something worse." 

 

I believe she is referring to her attack on the wind's pleasure, and subsequent trip into the cognitive realm. We know from her first hand that she visited the highspren and their city during her travels there, but i think the perhaps she made another stop along the way. Possibly by choice, or perhaps by force or happenstance. 

 

I think jasnah visited braize in the cognitive realm, this is one of the things often referred to directly or obliquely as being worse than death. Damnation. This is only supposition which may be proved wrong on this upcoming tuesday, but i imagine that if jasnah was finally going to take a deep dive into the cognitive realm she would be compelled to have a better understanding of her enemy. 

 

Discuss. 

[Andy92]

My first thought when reading it was also that Jasnah saw Braize. Don't have much basis for it other than wondering what could be worse than death. 

[Head Crabs]

Perhaps that was even the last stop on her trip before slipping through a perpendicularity right in front of hoid. She saved it till the end in case she needed to make a quick exit from the cognitive realm? And explains why she seems to be disheveled in a similar manner to taln's appearance. 

 

It also strikes me as symmetrical that hoid would be there to greet two travelers who had just returned from damnation. Maybe he'll be there to say hello to another escapee at the end of OB? 

 

 

 

[Guest]

I did not die makes think of Renarin, not Jasnah. I have suspected he would die, at some point. So it may be it.

[Andy92]

23 minutes ago, maxal said:

I did not die makes think of Renarin, not Jasnah.

It's all theories at this point but this confuses me a bit because Jasmah is the character everyone thought was actually dead. Renarin may have a similar experience in the future that we haven't read about, but that's speculation. We actually know that people thought Jasnah was dead. 

[Calderis he/him]

1 hour ago, Andy92 said:

It's all theories at this point but this confuses me a bit because Jasmah is the character everyone thought was actually dead. Renarin may have a similar experience in the future that we haven't read about, but that's speculation. We actually know that people thought Jasnah was dead. 

Except an earlier excerpt says that the author expected to die. Jasnah didn't. If she did then wouldn't have laid there and let them stab her. 

[djammmer]

I still do not think jasnah. Too obvious.  I think it is a glimpse into the past of the original oath bringer owner.  And it is world building to help us understand space between desolations.

[Jaconis]

My new pet theory is that it's written by Tanavast. Highly unlikely, but would be a huge twist. 

Edited September 15, 2017 by Jaconis

[WhiteLeeopard she/her]

No, its obviously written by Vasher. 

[Fulminato he/him]

9 hours ago, djammmer said:

I still do not think jasnah. Too obvious.  I think it is a glimpse into the past of the original oath bringer owner.  And it is world building to help us understand space between desolations.

the sunmaker? hardly

"That moment notwithstanding, I can honestly say this book has been brewing in me since my youth." 

so the writer had 'eretical thought' from the beginning. don't think his jasnah because the chapter 6 epigraph don't fit very well in her trip after the sunk of the wind'pleasure

[teknopathetic he/him]

I am really thinking it is Eshonai at this point. 

[Riceloft he/him]

I really like your Eshonai thought.  I also liked the suggestion that it could be Szeth.

[Salkara]

Does no one think it's Rsyn?

[Varenus]

2 hours ago, Riceloft said:

I really like your Eshonai thought.  I also liked the suggestion that it could be Szeth.

I agree that it would be interesting, but the epigraph from chapter 4 seems too much like Jasnah.

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I know that many women who read this will see it only as further proof that I am the godless heretic everyone claims.

I suppose Eshonai and Szeth could be considered "godless heretics", but why would women specifically think so?

Edited September 15, 2017 by Varenus

[teknopathetic he/him]

The heretic epitaph makes it seem 90% as a Jasnah confirmation, but I my "it is not that obvious" vote is for Eshonai writing about her exploration of the spren world (she always wanted to explore). 

But yeah, it is likely Jasnah. 

[Andy92]

I hadn't really considered Eshonai, but it's an interested thought to imagine she wrote the book based on her experience with storm form. 

I'm just not sure that Eshonai would've had "a book brewing in her since her youth." That line seems more like something an aspiring scholar would write. 

Do Listeners even use written language? I can't remember. I guess they did record their songs in the past so they probably do.  

[Calderis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Andy92 said:

Do Listeners even use written language? I can't remember. I guess they did record their songs in the past so they probably do.

Not until recently. They incorporated the idea of written language specifically for Venli's research after exposure to humans. Prior to that they were a society with a purely oral history. 

[Andy92]

Just now, Calderis said:

Not until recently. They incorporated the idea of written language specifically for Venli's research after exposure to humans. Prior to that they were a society with a purely oral history. 

Thanks. My first instinct was they didn't, but then I remembered the songs and wondered. I haven't read the Eshonai interludes in a while so thanks for clarifying. 

[The One Who Connects he/him]

3 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Prior to that they were a society with a purely oral history

As was pointed out in another thread.. (yesterday?), have this:

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They blame our people
For the loss of that land
The city that once covered it
Did range the eastern strand.
The power made known in the tomes of our clan
Our gods were not who shattered these plains.

—55th stanza

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tome

tōm/

noun

  humorous

plural noun: tomes

1. a book, especially a large, heavy, scholarly one.

   "a weighty tome"

   synonyms:

   volume, book, work, opus, publication, title

[Calderis he/him]

1 minute ago, The One Who Connects said:

As was pointed out in another thread.. (yesterday?), have this:

They may have historically had books. But Eshonai's interludes mentioned that Venli developed the language used in her research. 

The songs may record a time that they had writing, but I don't believe they still had it. 

[Rasha]

On a completely unrelated note, I thought directly of this version of the apocryphal poem :

 

Do not stand at my grave and weep, 
I am not there, I do not sleep.

I am in a thousand winds that blow, 
across Northrend's bright and shining snow.

I am the gentle showers of rain, 
on Westfall's fields of golden grain. 

I am in the morning hush, 
of Stranglethorn's jungle, green and lush.

I am in the drums loud and grand,
the thunderous hooves across Nagrand.

I am the stars warmly gleaming,
over Darnassus softly dreaming.

I am in the birds that sing,
I am in each lovely thing.

Do not stand at my grave and cry, 
I am not there. I do not die. 

 

You can get back to theorizing, I don't think I will be able to contribute to this thread, although my instinct tell me that jasnah is a red herring and that finding the author will be far more rewarding than saying "ah. I knew it was jasnah". 

[Calderis he/him]

3 minutes ago, Rasha said:

You can get back to theorizing, I don't think I will be able to contribute to this thread, although my instinct tell me that jasnah is a red herring and that finding the author will be far more rewarding than saying "ah. I knew it was jasnah". 

I'm not confident in my choice of who the author, but I am very confident in my "it's not Jasnah" opinion. 

If I eat my words so be it, but until Jasnah is absolutely certain, I'll wait to sit back and laugh at all the "WHAT?" exclamations. 

[djammmer]

11 hours ago, Fulminato said:

the sunmaker? hardly

"That moment notwithstanding, I can honestly say this book has been brewing in me since my youth." 

so the writer had 'eretical thought' from the beginning. don't think his jasnah because the chapter 6 epigraph don't fit very well in her trip after the sunk of the wind'pleasure

it can still be.  A book doesn't need to be limited to a single theme.  it's possible one could have imagined since youth that they'd write (or dictate) an auto-biography... And then after the starting the book later in Life to name it after their shardblade.  Doesn't need to be mutually exclusive.

[Ansalem]

2 hours ago, Calderis said:

I'm not confident in my choice of who the author, but I am very confident in my "it's not Jasnah" opinion. 

If I eat my words so be it, but until Jasnah is absolutely certain, I'll wait to sit back and laugh at all the "WHAT?" exclamations. 

Agreed. It's pretty obviously not Jasnah in my opinion. I don't even consider it a red herring. When I read the heretic line, I instantly marked her off the list of possibilities. Which is funny to me because so many people use that line to say that it is Jasnah. But it's so far out of character for her to write that line. As of this time, she is the only character I don't think it can be.

[Calderis he/him]

Just now, Ansalem said:

Agreed. It's pretty obviously not Jasnah in my opinion. I don't even consider it a red herring. When I read the heretic line, I instantly marked her off the list of possibilities. Which is funny to me because so many people use that line to say that it is Jasnah. But it's so far out of character for her to write that line. As of this time, she is the only character I don't think it can be.

I agree, that line implies that the author doesn't view themselves as a heretic and it is an assumption on the part of others. 

Jasnah is a self-proclaimed heretic, and to her the word simply means atheist. It's nothing worth mentioning. 

Combine this with the other line of having expected to die.... And no. If she thought she was going to die, she'd have fought back instead if waiting for the knife to drop and playing dead.