Varenus Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Calderis said: The closest I could find is this. I've always assumed as a sword he requires a wielder but this implies differently. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1093#5 Oh cool, I never knew. I was actually considering a Fabrial grip that separated the user from Nightblood and used its own stormlight reserves to fuel it. Actually on topic: has anyone considered the possibility of Radiants gaining additional powers/surges without the use of the Honorblades? On the coppermind page for surges there is a small line describing "God surges." The source of this line is a WoB which states that there is a parallel between Scadrial God metals and said God surges. The WoB also mentions that illumination/abration could be considered God surges. Will link when I get off mobile. Strange considering we know that illumination and abration are standard surges. My tentative theory is that God surges are just regular surges that can be accessed by knights that normally do not have access to them. Additional speculation: There are several unexplaned lines on the surgebinding chart in the cover of the way of kings hardcover. Most of the lines point to the orders respective surges and each of the order's closest neighbors(who share surges with them). However there a lines that connect seemingly random orders. What if these lines point to each order's God surge counterparts? This explained how illumination could be considered a God surge to a knight from an order that is not a truthwatcher/lightweaver, but would be normal surges to a truthwatcher/lightweaver. Nin son God (never gets old) states that Honor somehow regulated the knights and that he fears what might happen if the knights ever achieve the full power of the oaths. My thoughts are that 5 oaths is not the maximum number of oath possible and that furthering a knight's oaths gives them access to God surges. Also fits into Ishar's "I will destroy all of you unless you obey the rules" line. Honorblades were considered to be more powerful then spren granted abilities when Honor was still whole. Most people attribute this to the Honorblades ability to draw power directly from Honor. Consider that Honor, as previously mentioned, was stifling the knights oaths to the more powerful oaths, thereby removing God surges from the knights while he was alive. Perhaps no such restriction was imposed on the Honorblades and gave the Heralds access to God surges, which also gave Honorblades their reputation as being more powerful. This would also makes ishar's threat more viable as he had the advantage of God surges, while knights only had the two surges associated with their order. I know it is far fetched and kind of dumb, but this seemed like the discussion to address by idea. Edited August 2, 2017 by Varenus 1
Spoolofwhool Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Calderis said: Because without a bond, Nightblood won't be powerful, he'll just kill Szeth and be done. Szeth needs a bond to be able to invest. This isn't actually true. He can use the same method as Vasher to infuse himself with stormlight. If he does that, then drawing Nightblood will be possible. Also, it seems that drawing Nightblood is part of what is required to bond it, so he will need some alternative method of infusing himself first. Quote Q: Does Vasher have a different way of getting access to stormlight than everyone else? Given that he has no spren, no honorblade and he isn't a squire?A: Yes. He can use stormlight to stay alive, but it doesn't let him Surgebind.Q: Could Szeth get access to this method?A: YesQ: And use it to fuel Nightblood?A: Yes he couldQ: Can you tell me what that method is?A: <Smile> [Source] 2
Calderis he/him Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 15 minutes ago, Varenus said: On the coppermind page for surges there is a small line describing "God surges." The source of this line is a WoB which states that there is a parallel between Scadrial God metals and said God surges. The WoB also mentions that illumination/abration could be considered God surges. Will link when I get off mobile. This has been blown out of proportion. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1084#15 Quote QUESTION The "God Surges" you mentioned recently, are they a part of the Way of Kingsfrontsheet? You've said that there are three types of Blades in the Stormlight Archive. We've seen "dead" Shardblades, Honorblades—is the third type the "living spren" Shardblades, or is there another type we haven't seen? Do all Surgebinders breathe Stormlight in, or are there other ways? Is Lift one-of-a-kind in this regard? BRANDON SANDERSON All I said regarding this was to tell a fan that it was possible to make an analogy between the god metals on Scadrial and certain powers on Roshar. However, these are not a codified part of the magic system. Lift is one of a kind. Nightblood is a very unique kind of Shardblade, but IS a Shardblade. I think that all of the surges would be considered "God surges" in that to access them you have to be connected to a splinter, much like the God metals are solidified investiture. 10 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: This isn't actually true. He can use the same method as Vasher to infuse himself with stormlight. If he does that, then drawing Nightblood will be possible. Also, it seems that drawing Nightblood is part of what is required to bond it, so he will need some alternative method of infusing himself first. That's... Hmmm. I'm more interested now in how Szeth could learn this method. Being as Vasher feels responsible for Nightblood, I find the concept of him teaching someone else to use him unlikely...
Varenus Posted August 2, 2017 Posted August 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Calderis said: This has been blown out of proportion. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1084#15 I think that all of the surges would be considered "God surges" in that to access them you have to be connected to a splinter, much like the God metals are solidified investiture. That's... Hmmm. I'm more interested now in how Szeth could learn this method. Being as Vasher feels responsible for Nightblood, I find the concept of him teaching someone else to use him unlikely... Welp, there goes that idea. Perhaps Szeth will actually attract a Highspren and use its bond to inhale stormlight. Or, more mundanly, Szeth could just throw Nightblood and hope whatever he is fighting will try to pick it up. Probably less effective on charging thuderclasts than your average Nalthian though. 1
The One Who Connects he/him Posted September 15, 2017 Posted September 15, 2017 On 8/1/2017 at 10:22 PM, Calderis said: The closest I could find is this. I've always assumed as a sword he requires a wielder but this implies differently. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1093#5 This again Calderis? On 5/22/2017 at 9:03 PM, The One Who Connects said: The problem with this WoB is that the user throws Nightblood into the mists. That is not pulling Investiture from peripherals that are independent of a user, but pulling from peripherals while independent from a user. This distinction could be enough to make this answer not count. [Shadowwisp replied] Have you met anyone on this site? Nitpicks are what theories live or die by But yes, that is what I meant. Once the blade is thrown, it is not being "wielded" so it doesn't have a wielder.
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