teknopathetic he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) So we have seen that certain people can remove one's allomantic stores by burning aluminum while touching an allomancer. My question is, could someone boost another person's metals through the same touch-based action? If so, could you daisy-chain this by having a few duralumin listings boosting each other before firing off someone's intended metal? Even if no, medallions might be able to daisy-chain. Uses I am Interested in: Duralimun -> Duralimun -> Electrum/Gold/Malatium = Kelsier got some pretty intense past-visions when he boosted the 11th metal. Knowing what the birds of Sixth of Dusk can do, I think Gold might be a lot more useful than we imagine (assuming someone spent the time necessary to fiddle with it). Touching a Gold Shadow has "unpleasant effects" and I'd love to see what a Gold Shadow might do under a Duralimun post or a Duralimun->Duralimun boost. Edited July 7, 2017 by teknopathetic
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Well, that's not quite how it works. To remove someone's metal reserves you need to burn chromium and to boost someone's metals you have to burn nicrosil. Duralumin-boosted/nicrosil-boosted gold would probably have some interesting effects, but not the kind you're referring to. Gold shows you your past; for the same effect as the Aviar, you'd want boosted electrum. Edited July 7, 2017 by StrikerEZ Spelling 1
teknopathetic he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Author Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Well, that's not quite how it works. To remove someone's metal reserves you need to burn chromium and to boost someone's metals you have to burn nicrosil. Duralumin-boosted/nicrosil-boosted gold would probably have some interesting effects, but not the kind you're referring to. Gold shows you your past; for the same effect as the Aviar, you'd want boosted electrum. I think gold/electrum/malatium could all be used to tell the future in different ways. As for a gold-savant, seeing how different your potential self is might give you clues to how the future might be. Ex: The next room is potentially dangerous. You decide not to go into the room ahead of you. Then, you burn gold/super-gold to check to see what Room-You's life would be like if only you'd gone into that room - you see yourself in the other room eating chouda and being super happy. Having golded a good result, you go into the room. By checking your potential other self in that room, you know more about the present. This would likely take a lot of practice, but we've never seen anyone really practice using gold to see different time-sensitive versions of themselves. This 'room-checking' reminds me of the Avian Abilities. Obviously the other metals could be used the same way, but I feel gold might give better detail. Edited July 7, 2017 by teknopathetic
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Posted July 7, 2017 1 minute ago, teknopathetic said: I think gold/electrum/malatium could all be used to tell the future in different ways. As for a gold-savant, seeing how different your potential self is might give you clues to how the future might be. Ex: The next room is potentially dangerous. You decide not to go into the room ahead of you. Then, you burn super-gold to check to see what Room-You's life would be like if only you'd gone into that room - you see yourself in the other room eating chouda and being super happy. Having golded a good result, you go into the room. By checking your potential other self in that room, you know more about the present. This would likely take a lot of practice, but we've never seen anyone really practice using gold to see different time-sensitive versions of themselves. This 'room-checking' reminds me of the Avian Abilities. Obviously the other metals could be used the same way, but I feel gold might give better detail. Okay, I see what you mean now. But I just don't think it's likely that you could use gold to see what would've happened with specific actions, gold is more related to seeing who you could've been had you taken a different path with more drastic effects (plus, it probably doesn't show you how you could've died, because you can't split to become that person). And I don't think that even if you could do what you're saying that it would be very helpful, especially in a fight. The same goes for malatium, in my opinion.
teknopathetic he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Author Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Okay, I see what you mean now. But I just don't think it's likely that you could use gold to see what would've happened with specific actions, gold is more related to seeing who you could've been had you taken a different path with more drastic effects (plus, it probably doesn't show you how you could've died, because you can't split to become that person). And I don't think that even if you could do what you're saying that it would be very helpful, especially in a fight. The same goes for malatium, in my opinion. I find it more of a sleuthy power than a combat power personally. I have been more interested in 'sneaky magic' than 'fighty magic' myself. Likely I am completely off-base with how gold can be used, but a Gold Savant surely would be able to be more precise in which Gold-Shadow is drawn forward. Emperor's Soul shows us that there are many many plausible cognitive-selves to draw from. The lack of use with Gold seems like such cool draw, and I'd love to know what the "unpleasant effects [wob]" of touching a Gold-Shadow are. Thanks for taking the times to theory craft with me though! I appreciate it. Edited July 7, 2017 by teknopathetic
StrikerEZ he/him Posted July 7, 2017 Posted July 7, 2017 1 minute ago, teknopathetic said: I find it more of a sleuthy power than a combat power personally. I have been more interested in 'sneaky magic' than 'fighty magic' myself. Likely I am completely off-base with how gold can be used, but a Gold Savant surely would be able to be more precise in which Gold-Shadow is drawn forward. Emperor's Soul shows us that there are many many plausible cognitive-selves to draw from. Thanks for taking the times to theory craft with me though! I appreciate it. Yeah, that does make sense, I could imagine a gold savant being able to do the kind of stuff you're talking about, definitely. And you're welcome! That's what this forum is for!
Scriptorian he/him Posted July 8, 2017 Posted July 8, 2017 So some funny stuff happens when you duralumin/nicrosil boost electrum or atium (and probably gold as well). https://amp.reddit.com/r/books/comments/2ytg2h/im_novelist_brandon_sanderson_ama/ctlt7q8 Quote A spike of something you have would enhance your ability, giving your more strength. With Atium, more strength makes for a minimal edge--the length you can push out the atium shadows. However, there's a certain breaking point where you kind of crack the whole system, peer straight into the cognitive realm, and kind of have a "It's full of stars" moment. Electrum could reach this same moment, potentially, though there's more interference to fight through. Extra strength in electrum isn't going to be terribly useful up to that point. Note that he meant spiritual realm, not cognitive. We see this effect when Elend burns atium with duralumin in HoA. We currently don't know if savantism is enough to reach this breaking point, or if a booster-metal is required. In any case, being able to see directly into the spiritual realm almost certainly has its uses, assuming your mind doesn't melt from the information overload. Elend was using atium, so presumably his mind was enehanced to better deal with it, but someone just using gold or electrum will probably have a much harder time. I myself am very interested to learn more.
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