Catfish he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 So if all the shards have some predetermined intent or direction after they received them after the shattering, what was Adonalsium's Intent, with all of the shard's within himself, that had already created some of the universe (I know questionable. The God Beyond probably was more than likely the creator of Adonalsium and much of the cosmere)? If it had any intent I think it would be Continuum. If the 16 wanted change wouldn't it make sense to break the continuum? Maybe the breaking of Adonalsium was to break the cycle of the same. Could Adonalsium have been a bad thing which was broken for a reason? Could the fain and the scar be Adonalsium's intent coming back to receive vengeance or just a repercussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Adonalsium had an intent to create sentience: Quote Question The background to my question is this: It was once stated by Mr Sanderson that "Magic in the cosmere needs a guiding force. If it doesn't have one, the magic itself will gain sentience." We also have that things like Nightblood that gained sentience because of crazy amounts of investiture. My question then is: "Is the reason that investiture has this tendency to lead to sentience caused by the fact that pre-shattering Adonalsium had a goal/purpose/intent of bringing sentience to his universe." (I guess this is in a way a 2 part question, because it assumes that Adonalsium actually HAD the intent of bringing sentience to his Cosmere) Answer Yes, this is part of the reason. Good question! This might not be a capital-I Intent, but more just a general motive. Hoid appears to be collecting magic systems, but it's not like he has an Intent to. Some people think that the Intents were created during the Shattering, but others think that they predate it, that all Intents were aspects of Adonalsium's personality, balancing one another out. It is a point of contention among theorists, and likely will be for a while, but it all goes to say that Adonalsium might not have had a simple, singular Intent, like the Shards do. Have you looked at the Liar of Partinel sample chapters, where we actually see the fain life? The story says they grew from the body of dead gods - but LoP predates the Shattering, so the fain life does as well. The Scar is a possibility, though; although since Yolen was the original human homeworld, I'd be surprised to see it so far away from the other inhabited Shardworlds in the Arcanum Unbounded star chart. Also, Yolen is currently the top candidate for the point-of-view of the chart (the map is in Silverlight, but since Silverlight isn't in the Physical Realm, that's not where the perspective is from), which would preclude it from also being in the Scar. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Haven't read LoP. Gives more credence to Adonalsium having an intent (or multiple I will give you that). One that encompassed all of what we would consider the intents of the 16. For example Continuity or Continuum. Rise and fall. Good and Evil. But with an imperfect balance which is why the 16 choose to shatter him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Brandon has said Uncle Andy could have been shattered into 16 different intents. The 16 intents were intentional. I think the weapon was the cause of what intents resulted from said shattering. Actually i think its implied by a WoB. The weapon.... Chuck Norris! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Could it have been a shattering of Faith? An allegory of the world we live in now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 No a shattering of Chuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Catfish said: So if all the shards have some predetermined intent or direction after they received them after the shattering, what was Adonalsium's Intent, with all of the shard's within himself, that had already created some of the universe All the Shards have a secondary Intent to create. Quote "Q: Do all the shards have a 'secondary' imperative of some degree, to create? A: You could say this." Since it is the facet of Intent that all the Shards have in common, it seems reasonable that Adonalsium's overarching Intent was to create. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hwiles Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I personally subscribe to the theory that Adonalsiums Intent is the philosophical superposition of the Intents (both primary and secondary) of the 16 Shards. It would therefore not be something which could be deduced logically. Pretty sure it's been confirmed that a splinter can theoretically have an Intent not obviously related to its parent Shard, so bear in mind that Adonalsiums Intent may be subject to that as well. I propose that Adonalsium is the name of Adonalsiums Intent. It's derived from the Hebrew name for Lord, which in this context, would mean something along the lines of, "creator of everything," "parent of all," or in simple English, "Divine One." IE: Adonalsiums Intent is roughly equal to the abstract concept of: "Divinity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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