Cel she/her Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 My friend told me a theory she would like me to post, only she insists I call her the "Eternal Awesome One" So, this is the theory: So, you know how in Roshar, there is 10 of everything (10 Surges, 10 , etc.)? And you know how on Scadrial, there are 16 of everything (16 metals, 16 percent mistfallen, etc.)? Also, there were always 16 metals on Scadrial, but the Lord Ruler hid the other 6 to make it look like there were 10? What if there are really 16 Surges, 16 Heralds, etc.? And, some may say that Scadrial's number might just be 16, and Roshar's number is 10, but there are 16 Shards, and they are universal for the whole Cosmere. And, she required me to end with this: "The sky's are Kaladin's, but this theory is mine." - The Eternally Awesome One 4
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 17, 2017 Posted June 17, 2017 Your friend should also make a account, because more people on the forum is always fun
Staterus he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Interesting theory, but then there would have to be more six more orders, and it really is a drastic change to bring in, even with Oathbringer out soon. Maybe there will be sixteen of the KR shown in the books instead? 1
Tesh Any pronouns Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 I'm supposed to put something on here to surprise @Kaladinwillumarryme?. So, cats? But i am one of the people who thinks that 10 is the SA number, as 16 is Mistborns number.
Calderis he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 I personally think that 6 hidden Heralds/Radiant Orders is too much of a stretch.
Chinsukolo Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 10 for Roshar was planned from the start: Spoiler 7 INTERVIEW: Mar 13th, 2014 WOR-Omaha, NE MACEN We know that 10 is an odd number in the cosmere. And I noticed that the Lord Ruler specifically released 10 Allomantic metals. Is there a reason behind that? BRANDON SANDERSON No, that was a coincidence right there. 10 is an odd cosmere number for Roshar, and there are reasons why it is Macen: But it wasn't just Roshar, it was also Nalthis and Warbreaker. Brandon: Nope, that one is a coincidence. Sometimes they just pop up that way. Part of the original reason that Roshar was 10 was I was going for a 10 day like Robert Jordan did, which I thought was cool. But then I ended up writing the Wheel of Time so I have to do something different now. So it turned into the two five-day weeks. Two five-days becoming a 50 day month. TAGS Spoiler INTERVIEW: Nov 30th, 2016 Borderlands SF-AU Tour (Paraphrased) QUESTION Is there more significance to the 10 other planets around the Rosharian start system and them being gaseous? We know that Roshar's moons have unnatural orbits; so there seems to be some astronomical manipulation in the system. BRANDON SANDERSON Yes there is significance of 16 in cosmere and 10 in Rosharian system. TAGS rosharan system, base 10, Spoiler INTERVIEW: Nov 30th, 2016 Borderlands SF-AU Tour (Paraphrased) QUESTION Would Ashyn/Braize share the 10-centric numerology of Roshar? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes 10-centric is for the entire Rosharian planetary system...wait Braize is 9-centric 10 Heralds, 10 RK Orders, 10 Gas Giants, 10 Kingdoms, 10 Dawn Cities Pretty sure it's just 10 and there aren't 6 more hiding. There is another WoB out there where Brandon mentioned different Shards have different "scared' numbers, but not all of them have a 'sacred' number. But I can't seem to find it at the moment. Tell your fried to make an account - I lurker for a while, it's more fun to post than lurk around here. 1
+Extesian he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Chinsukolo said: 10 for Roshar was planned from the start: 10 Heralds, 10 RK Orders, 10 Gas Giants, 10 Kingdoms, 10 Dawn Cities Pretty sure it's just 10 and there aren't 6 more hiding. There is another WoB out there where Brandon mentioned different Shards have different "scared' numbers, but not all of them have a 'sacred' number. But I can't seem to find it at the moment. Tell your fried to make an account - I lurker for a while, it's more fun to post than lurk around here. Good summary. Is this the WoB you're thinking of? Quote THOUGHT It seems that certain colors and numbers appear frequently in specific cosmere books, like the number 5 in Warbreaker or red and blue in Elantris. Do these colors or numbers happen to refer to a specific shard, and if so, would they be consistent across the cosmere? BRANDON SANDERSON Certain colors and numbers are important in reference to certain shard Source
purple phantom Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 I believe that the sacred number of each shard is the order of their ascension. Endowment was the fifth, Honor was the tenth, and Preservation was the sixteenth.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 52 minutes ago, purple phantom said: I believe that the sacred number of each shard is the order of their ascension. Endowment was the fifth, Honor was the tenth, and Preservation was the sixteenth. Not all Shards have a number associated with them. Quote Q: Cool, do all shards have a number they're associated with? A: Some do, (Most? Some?) don't. (I didn't get exact wording on this one) And in the topic I linked to earlier in this thread(you should check it out, its got some good discussion), @Nicrosil made a very good argument for why Preservation's number is 16 following his Intent. Not sure how it factors in with other Shards(Unless Autonomy's is 1), but figured I'd post it here for discussion value Quote If each Shard has an associated number, it makes sense to me that Preservation and the cosmere in general are associated with 16. After all, Preservation's Ideal is based on staying the same, tradition, etc. When Andonalsium shattered, I wouldn't be surprised if Preservation "kept" 16 as it's associated number.
Spoolofwhool Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 It's a mix bag by all accounts. Some shards have numbers associated with them, some worlds have numbers associated with them. For instance, Nalthis is associated with five, and Braize is associated with nine. Quote Q: Nalthis has 5-centric numerology. A: Okay Q: Do regular humans count as the 5th type of biochromatic entity? A: [laughs] Um, I will RAFO that, not for any real good reason, but for a mini-good reason. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vBgLhMnGNRYYp4cE00_Oot0NTVWAUJ9fh-vJ3bqp0SA/mobilebasic
Cel she/her Posted June 19, 2017 Author Posted June 19, 2017 This information is very helpful, Thanks! I will tell my friend 1
ScarletSabre he/him Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 On 18/06/2017 at 0:17 AM, Kaladinwillumarryme? said: And, she required me to end with this: "The sky's are Kaladin's, but this theory is mine." - The Eternally Awesome One Have an upvote simply for that 1
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