Adonalsium's law of thermodynamics

[Steeldancer]

Ok so I was reading @Pagerunner compilation of all the Reddit WoB when I came across this WoB:

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Q: You once said that Investiture follows its own version of the laws of thermodynamics. The first one is that Investiture is neither created nor destroyed. Is the second law of Investodynamics that the amount of corrupted Investiture in the Cosmere cannot decrease?
 
A: Basically, the idea is that there is a third item in the equations--matter, energy, and investiture. That's the basis of how they work. Entropy is not corrupted Investiture. The second law stands as is. However, there is a fourth law that relates to Adonalsium, which I'm not going to talk about at the moment.

So the actual three laws of thermodynamics are 

1. Energy/matter cannot be created or destroyed. 

2. Entropy will always increase in a closed system. 

3. As entropy decreases, it approaches a fixed temperature (absolute zero). 

In the cosmere, they go like this:

1. Energy, investiture and matter cannot be created or destroyed. (Something like E=mc^2=I, where I equals some unit of investiture)

2. Entropy will either remain the same or increase over time. (Brandon has talked about this; there are some situations where it seems that entropy would remain the same with some feruchemical setups. It isn't always increasing, but over time it will always increase.)

3. As entropy decreases, it approaches a temperature of absolute zero. 

4. Now this is the law that is interesting. He says there is a fourth one regarding Adonalsium. I have no idea what this could be; it might be a quantification of investiture in a soul, or something like that. But he doesn't say it is about investiture, it's about adonalsium in particular. So what about thermodynamics would adonalsium tie into? 

Please any physicists, take a stab at this. Oh and this WoB might be related as well. 

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Q: Is there a quantum of Investiture? Just as how the photon (the quantum of light) is the force carrier particle of electromagnetism, is there a force carrier particle for Investiture, and do you have a name for it? (My follow up question would involve string theory, but I'll leave that one for later.)
 
A: Yes, there is a quantum of Investiture, though it acts very oddly in the cosmere. True Investiture is a purely Spiritual Realm thing. In the cosmere, there are two alternate planes of existence, with their own specific laws. Some of them, as you've undoubtedly notice, behave similar to ideas in String Theory.

 

Edited May 17, 2017 by The Flash

[manukos]

just came back from a failed physics exam pffff.... lets see what i can come up with 
it could be:

1. something about how the 16 shards cannot be split any further (basicaly you can split sulfur into distinct atoms atoms and then you can "splinter" them into electrons protons and neutrons but they become "raw matter" or in our case "raw" investiture )(however this doesnt seem very thermodynamic-y)
2. like how entropy is always decreasins and cannot be increased . splintering of shards and god himself cannot be reversed (that would be verry sad for our dear hoid)
3. investiture can create energy or matter but not the opposite (though that doesnt have anything to do with adonalsium)

ps i have hidden a great pun in there +1 to the first who finds it

[Steeldancer]

On 5/16/2017 at 2:40 PM, Manukos said:

just came back from a failed physics exam pffff.... lets see what i can come up with 
it could be:

1. something about how the 16 shards cannot be split any further (basicaly you can split sulfur into distinct atoms atoms and then you can "splinter" them into electrons protons and neutrons but they become "raw matter" or in our case "raw" investiture )(however this doesnt seem very thermodynamic-y)
2. like how entropy is always decreasins and cannot be increased . splintering of shards and god himself cannot be reversed (that would be verry sad for our dear hoid)
3. investiture can create energy or matter but not the opposite (though that doesnt have anything to do with adonalsium)

ps i have hidden a great pun in there +1 to the first who finds it

Ok I've been thinking about this for a few days and I think I know what the law might be. I think it might be "an invested object requires more investiture to create more effect exponentially." Adonalsium being all investiture, is simply the ultimate investment of investiture.

[manukos]

2 hours ago, The Flash said:

Ok I've been thinking about this for a few days and I think I know what the law might be. I think it might be "an invested object requires more investiture to create more effect exponentially." Adonalsium being all investiture, is simply the ultimate investment of investiture.

perhaps .... i mean it does make sense , in the real world the more you increase/decrease the pressure , heat ,speed etc. the harder it is to increase/decrease further.

 

[Hemalurgic Headshot]

On 5/16/2017 at 2:40 PM, Manukos said:

just came back from a failed physics exam pffff.... lets see what i can come up with 
it could be:

1. something about how the 16 shards cannot be split any further (basicaly you can split sulfur into distinct atoms atoms and then you can "splinter" them into electrons protons and neutrons but they become "raw matter" or in our case "raw" investiture )(however this doesnt seem very thermodynamic-y)
2. like how entropy is always decreasins and cannot be increased . splintering of shards and god himself cannot be reversed (that would be verry sad for our dear hoid)
3. investiture can create energy or matter but not the opposite (though that doesnt have anything to do with adonalsium)

ps i have hidden a great pun in there +1 to the first who finds it

Is it "splinter"?

[manukos]

13 hours ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

Is it "splinter"?

nah it is more siency/geeky , plus , splinter is too obvious

 

[Ripheus23]

On 5/19/2017 at 1:19 AM, manukos said:

nah it is more siency/geeky , plus , splinter is too obvious

Is it because sulfur's atomic number is 16 or something?

Re: the OP...

So first off, at least according to Wikipedia, there are already 4 LoTs:

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• Zeroth law of thermodynamics: If two systems are in thermal equilibrium with a third system, they are in thermal equilibrium with each other. This law helps define the concept of temperature.
• First law of thermodynamics: When energy passes, as work, as heat, or with matter, into or out from a system, the system's internal energy changes in accord with the law of conservation of energy. Equivalently, perpetual motion machines of the first kind (machines that produce work with no energy input) are impossible.
• Second law of thermodynamics: In a natural thermodynamic process, the sum of the entropies of the interacting thermodynamic systems increases. Equivalently, perpetual motion machines of the second kind (machines that spontaneously convert thermal energy into mechanical work) are impossible.
• Third law of thermodynamics: The entropy of a system approaches a constant value as the temperature approaches absolute zero.^[2] With the exception of non-crystalline solids (glasses) the entropy of a system at absolute zero is typically close to zero.

So it could be that Sanderson is just sneaking in the zeroth law and relating it to the energy-matter-Investiture triad (as three systems in abstract equilibrium, anyway). This would have to do with Adonalsium just by virtue of Adonalsium having to do with Investiture, however.

I can't think of another guess yet

[Feruchemist]

Adonalsium (A*) equals the sixteen different vibrations of Investiture.  As A* splinters, Investiture loses intent.  Investiture will always lose intent until the cycle begins anew.

That's the best bit of fiction-science I can come up with. 

Let's just say that it's kind of difficult to formulate new laws of thermodynamics in a few minutes, regardless of your intellect or training.

[Gavtyven]

5 minutes ago, Feruchemist said:

Let's just say that it's kind of difficult to formulate new laws of thermodynamics in a few minutes, regardless of your intellect or training.

Tsss, can't even come up with one of the fundamental laws of nature on the spot? Bet you Mr T. could do it, and he's very old.