Raistlin Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 My knowledge of the Cosmere is a bit wonky, but I from what I gathered there was a One True God that broke into pieces which were picked up by people who then went to/created other worlds and, in a way, became the embodiment of the piece they picked. From what I remember from Mistborn, the carriers of the shards can die and "drop" the shards for someone else to pick them up. So my question is- why can't someone else pick up Honor's shard? I guess the process is not that simple, and the people are not generally aware of the existence of shards and the technical aspects of their gods, but there's still a living shard (Cultivation) so the idea, at least, should have come up at some point.. I can maybe understand why no one did it so far, but now with the desolation coming on why can't someone pick up the shard and help with the war efforts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Honor cannot be picked up by another mortal because the person who killed the previous holder performed some action which spread the power. In contrast: Mistborn spoilers Spoiler The shards of Preservation and Ruin were dropped whole when their vessels died, allowing them to be picked up immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 22 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: Honor cannot be picked up by another mortal because the person who killed the previous holder performed some action which spread the power. In contrast: Mistborn spoilers Hide contents The shards of Preservation and Ruin were dropped whole when their vessels died, allowing them to be picked up immediately. On a not totally unrelated note why are the evil spren and the unmade referred to as splinters of Odium when he hasn't been splintered or did he splinter himself on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Radiant_Jaeger said: On a not totally unrelated note why are the evil spren and the unmade referred to as splinters of Odium when he hasn't been splintered or did he splinter himself on purpose. Probably the latter. We know other shards have created splinters while still intact. Spren pre-Recreance were of Honor and Cultivation and continue to be as well, and they're splinters. Edited May 12, 2017 by Spoolofwhool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Radiant_Jaeger said: On a not totally unrelated note why are the evil spren and the unmade referred to as splinters of Odium when he hasn't been splintered or did he splinter himself on purpose. Given that they are Splinters of Odium per WoB, he splintered on purpose, or at least he made use of them if someone partially splintered him a bit (not sure if another Shard can do that..) (Do you have a source on the Voidspren being his Splinters? All I've seen is that the Unmade were, and they seem a bit beyond normal Spren.) Also, Warbreaker Spoilers Spoiler The Divine Breath that gives life to Returned are Splinters of Endowment, so we have precedent of it happening. And ninja'd by Spool (by 5 seconds no less... Edited May 12, 2017 by The One Who Connects ninja and spellcheck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Spoolofwhool said: Probably the latter. We know other shards have created splinters while still intact. Spren pre-Recreance were of Honor and Cultivation and continue to be as well, and they're splinters. Splinter seems to refer to all aspects of their (the OG 16 shard holders) power no matter what form it takes. Night blood is a splinter of Endowment then right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Just now, Radiant_Jaeger said: Splinter seems to refer to all aspects of their (the OG 16 shard holders) power no matter what form it takes. Night blood is a splinter of Endowment then right? Possibly, hasn't been confirmed though. Warbreaker spoilers. Spoiler Divine Breaths are splinters of Endowment though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: Given that they are Splinters of Odium per WoB, he splintered on purpose. (Do you have a source on the Voidspren being his Splinters? All I've seen is that the Unmade were, and they seem a bit beyond normal Spren.) Also, Warbreaker Spoilers Hide contents The Divine Breath that gives life to Returned are Splinters of Endowment, so we have precedent of it happening. And ninja'd by Spool (by 5 seconds no less... @Spoolofwhool Rofl yeah and I'm at work ATM but I know that Pattern says they "are of Him" not much saying they're splinters I'll look up more! Warbreaker spoiler Spoiler also I think Nightblood is the only endowment spren then! (If that's even Warbreakerd shard I only saw it on the wiki) Edited May 12, 2017 by Radiant_Jaeger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, The One Who Connects said: Given that they are Splinters of Odium per WoB, he splintered on purpose, or at least he made use of them if someone partially splintered him a bit (not sure if another Shard can do that..) (Do you have a source on the Voidspren being his Splinters? All I've seen is that the Unmade were, and they seem a bit beyond normal Spren.) Also, Warbreaker Spoilers Hide contents So a bit on splinters. They are investiture of Adonalsium that has noone holding the power, and are sentient. Quote WETLANDER Please explain what you will about Shards and Splintering and Slivers. BRANDON SANDERSON An event happened long ago which destroyed something called Adonalsium into 16 pieces. And 16 people took up that power. QUESTION People? BRANDON SANDERSON I call all intelligent species people. If someone takes up the power and lets go of it, it has the effect much like a balloon that's been stretched and then the air is let out. I call that a Sliver; based off of the Lord Ruler calling himself the "Sliver of Infinity". The Lord Ruler is someone who held the power and then released it. And so, current Slivers are the Lord Ruler, Kelsier, and there may be others around who at one point held the power and let go of it. A Splinter is a term used by certain people in the cosmere for power of Adonalsium which has no person caring for it, no... no person holding it, which has attained self-awareness. WETLANDER So is that like the mists and the Well? Are they... BRANDON SANDERSON They are not, because they have not attained self-awareness. But, the Seons are self-aware. So, any piece, for instance there were some spren on Roshar before Honor and Cultivation got there. Those were already Splinters of Adonalsium where he had left power which attained sentience on its own. So, it can be intentional is what I am saying, does that make sense? You have seen other splinters. WETLANDER Are the highstorms related to the splintering of Honor? BRANDON SANDERSON The highstorms are more related to the mist from Mistborn which terminology we have not discussed yet. You have seen splinters quite a bit on various planets Odium has spren Quote EHYDE So I'm just gonna run with that right now. Is Surgebinding in general a melding of Honor and Odium ala Feruchemy being in some senses being not directly of Ruin or Preservation? BRANDON SANDERSON Honor and Cultivation is what you mean? Um, there are spren of all three shards. And those spren can work within the bounds of the magic that has already been set up on Roshar. 'Some' spren that Parshendi bond with have a whole that Odium can use to take control Quote ZAS678 Can Odium influence people the same way that Ruin can? BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED) [misunderstands question as a question about kandra/koloss/parshendi] Well, you see, the kandra and the koloss have a "hole" in them that allows Ruin to come in and take over. The Parshendi naturally are protected from this, but when they expose themselves to the storms, and the spren come in, many of these spren have that kind of "hole" in them, and that’s what allows Odium to take control of them. ZAS678 No, I'm talking about how Ruin was able to push people, place things in their minds, stuff like that. Can Odium do the same thing? BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED) Well, Odium wasn't around when those people were created [Here it sounded like the mankind that's on that planet, not the specific generation], so it's a little different for him than Ruin. So if he influences people in that way, it's t There are spren that are not sentient Quote RICK 1.Are there any other sentient spren like Syl, if not are there any Spren capable of becoming sentient or is she purposefully unique? 2.If so, what are the conditions that must be met for a spren to become sentient? BRANDON SANDERSON Ok Cool. 1. There are other sentient spren. 2. There are many more who could become sentient, there were choices that were made that we will get into that were made by some spren that, that involved- There were certain choices that were made that influenced this, so yes, that was a very detailed and specific question, you did a good job and so I will give you your answer that there are others like Syl that could become and there are some that are sentient already And we know that the spren Parshendi bond are at least not sapient. Quote QUESTION What happens to the spren the Parshendi bond when they switch form? So if they’re in soldier form, and they switch over to mate, what happens to the spren? BRANDON SANDERSON The spren is released. Question SO WHEN THEY TOOK ON VOID, THEY DIDN’T KILL THEIR PREVIOUS SPREN? BRANDON SANDERSON No, they don’t kill when they - No. That’s a good question. Question DO THOSE SPREN EVOLVE IN ANY WAY INTO SOMETHING ELSE? BRANDON SANDERSON Those spren that they are bonding with are generally what we call non-sapient spren, and so, no, and also the spren are barely aware that they’re bonded - the spren, the non-voidspren. Like when they’re bonding, generally what’s happening is how...It’s a symbiotic relationship, right? And the spren that get bonded to them, it’s just kind of, Oh, this is my life now! This is just normal. This is what’s happened. The same thing happens with spren involved in greatshells and things like this. This is a natural part of the natural cycle for those spren. Sapient is different from sentient though, but we already know the Unmade are splinters, and we know this. Quote QUESTION He also signed my WoR and I asked him to write something about the Unmade(this one is quoted word by word. Can't add picture right now) BRANDON SANDERSON "Most of the Unmade are not what we would call sapient. But a few are different..." I don't know of one specifically saying voidspren are sentient, I got the distinct impression they're not sapient but are sentient. But we know that some Unmade aren't sapient but they're all still Odium splinters. We also know that Odium has spren and presumably these are the non-sapient holey spren we know as voidspren. So I think that yes, voidspren are splinters of Odium. Really the only question is whether they're sentient, even if they're not sapient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Extesian said: Really the only question is whether they're sentient, even if they're not sapient. I believe the definition of splinters includes being sentient. Some people have argued against it, but I'm of that opinion. We'll need to get a concise answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger he/him Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 53 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: I believe the definition of splinters includes being sentient. Some people have argued against it, but I'm of that opinion. We'll need to get a concise answer. @The One Who Connects Only you two could make me look up sentient and sapient just so I could understand what was actually being discussed. Also I think voidspren are both sentient and sapient. It would explain why they don't"act like any other spren." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Just now, Radiant_Jaeger said: Only you two could make me look up sentient and sapient just so I could understand what was actually being discussed. You aren't the first. I've had to do that before as well. I swear it's just as bad as "unkeyed" and "unsealed" sometimes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Yeah, it's a confusion that comes up often enough. I blame literature which uses sentient when it means sapient. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger he/him Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 minute ago, The One Who Connects said: You aren't the first. I've had to do that before as well. I swear it's just as bad as "unkeyed" and "unsealed" sometimes... Scrambles to find out who or what has been unkeyed and unsealed* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Radiant_Jaeger said: Scrambles to find out who or what has been unkeyed and unsealed* Medallion discussions. Which are MB Spoiler so I wont discuss it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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