Calderis he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 I've been reading through @Pagerunner's awesome reddit WoB collection and got to #296 which mobile won't allow me to copy and it got me thinking. Nale had Nightblood. Nale was present at the feast when Gavilar was assassinated. Could the "voidlight" trapped in the sphere be the corrupted investiture from Nightblood? I have no idea how or why this would have been done, but I never made the connection before and was wondering at people's arguments against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 It is pretty common knowledge by now that the Oathbringer prologue is from Eshonai's viewpoint - you may have even read a transcript of it. The reveals made there make it clear that Nightblood is extremely unlikely to be involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Argent said: It is pretty common knowledge by now that the Oathbringer prologue is from Eshonai's viewpoint - you may have even read a transcript of it. The reveals made there make it clear that Nightblood is extremely unlikely to be involved. I've intentionally avoided reading. That answers my question without actual spoilers though, so thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyperson Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 How long do we think ol' Nightblood's been on Roshar, anyways? And Zahel, for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, bleeder said: How long do we think ol' Nightblood's been on Roshar, anyways? And Zahel, for that matter? Zahel has been on for at least 16 years since he trained Adolin when he was 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Radiant_Jaeger said: Zahel has been on for at least 16 years since he trained Adolin when he was 6 No, as we do not know how old Adolin was when Zahel started teaching him. We know Adolin started his training at the age of 6, but nowhere is it stated it was under Zahel's tutelage, nor is it stated kids keep the same instructor for their entire training. I think it was said, a long time ago, Zahel has been on Roshar for about 12 years, but I wouldn't be able to find the source, so huh I might not be remembering right. Zahel also speaks of Adolin as a know-it-all kid who refused to be taught which seems a tad presumptuous for a 6 years old and out of character as Adolin never praises skills he does not possess. I say, it is much more likely Zahel didn't picked up Adolin's training until he was in his teen years, probably 13-16 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Everything I was able to gather about Vasher's worldhopping from theoryland: He visited Roshar before Manywar and Nightblood's creation. Currently he is on Roshar as Zahel - the easy to obtain Investiture which he could feed on was one of the major reasons of his coming to Roshar. He tried to Awaken with Stormlight but failed. He hasn't figured out how to do it. He got separated with Nightblood on Roshar (before the plot of WoK) and they had a falling out. Vasher misses him and feels responsible for him. He visited fewer than six planets. He knows about Hoid (calls him "Dust") but does not know the whole story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant_Jaeger he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, maxal said: No, as we do not know how old Adolin was when Zahel started teaching him. We know Adolin started his training at the age of 6, but nowhere is it stated it was under Zahel's tutelage, nor is it stated kids keep the same instructor for their entire training. I think it was said, a long time ago, Zahel has been on Roshar for about 12 years, but I wouldn't be able to find the source, so huh I might not be remembering right. Zahel also speaks of Adolin as a know-it-all kid who refused to be taught which seems a tad presumptuous for a 6 years old and out of character as Adolin never praises skills he does not possess. I say, it is much more likely Zahel didn't picked up Adolin's training until he was in his teen years, probably 13-16 years old. Lol perfectionist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 5 hours ago, Calderis said: I've been reading through @Pagerunner's awesome reddit WoB collection and got to #296 which mobile won't allow me to copy and it got me thinking. Nale had Nightblood. Nale was present at the feast when Gavilar was assassinated. Could the "voidlight" trapped in the sphere be the corrupted investiture from Nightblood? I have no idea how or why this would have been done, but I never made the connection before and was wondering at people's arguments against it. The question this idea brings up (and Argent is right, it's not plausible with the non-canon-for-now Oathbringer prologue reading) is what Nightblood's leaky investiture and the light in the sphere have in common. Because this is your thread Calderis I won't spoiler what we know, but just like there's heaps of discussion on the color red, there must be something there. Corrupted investiture is a theory because I think we know Nightblood's investiture is corrupted (/Nightblood corrupts the investiture he eats). Though I can't find an explicit WoB on that, but there is this. Quote BLIGHTSONG How does corrupted investiture work, like Nightblood? BRANDON SANDERSON Oh, Nightblood. Again, this is a definition of what somebody feels is a corruption. For instance, there are spren people would feel are corrupted. But that is corruption where the mixing of different shards has changed things, and I think a lot of times when people say corruption, people are meaning the mixing of shards powers. BLIGHTSONG So is there a mixing of shards power with Nightblood? BRANDON SANDERSON *smirks* RAFO. That's the natural question, I'm glad you asked it. BLIGHTSONG Ok, uhhh, so something similar is happening with Gavilar's sphere, right? BRANDON SANDERSON *contemplative silence*, RAFO. So perhaps it's a mixing of Shardic power. We'll know in Oathbringer. Quote ARGENT Awakening and Surgebinding, Stormlight and Breath seem really similar in some aspects-- BRANDON SANDERSON Yes. ARGENT --except Breaths seem to stick to things better-- BRANDON SANDERSON They do. ARGENT --than Stormlight. So when you are holding the Breath it doesn’t expire when you put it in something it doesn’t go away. Can you tell me something about why that’s happening? BRANDON SANDERSON Part of this is kind of inherent to the Shard and the power it’s coming from. I mean the power of Endowment is just going to stick, that’s part of the nature of its magic. Does that make sense? But it also kind of has to do with how the ecosystems are working. For instance the Stormlight is essential to the ecosystem of Roshar, it needs to be expended, it needs to get out and-- It’s like evaporation, does that make sense? ARGENT Recycling? Not the recycling but the cycle of-- BRANDON SANDERSON Yeah, yeah like the cycle of water. And so just part of the way the nature of it works, it /has/ to get out, it /has/ to leak out, it has to run out. I mean it leaks even from spheres, right? ARGENT And when you lash things it’s temporary-- BRANDON SANDERSON Yep. And even though Szeth says that he thought Voidbringers could hold it they can’t. Like it is just not the way that it works. ARGENT Can they just hold it better? BRANDON SANDERSON They can hold it better. It’s not permanent. Now there are things that can do it permanently but-- ARGENT Like the black sphere for example? BRANDON SANDERSON Well we are not going to...The black sphere is something different. You guys have guessed what the black sphere is, right? ARGENT Well we have some ideas. I support that it holds an Unmade. Am I wrong? BRANDON SANDERSON I’m not going to answer that. ARGENT But you said-- BRANDON SANDERSON I’m just curious what the theories are. Book 3 the black sphere is-- Everyone who reads the books will know what the black sphere is by the end of Book 3. ARGENT I can live with that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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