Voidbringer origin?

[Sanderson-Savant]

First of all, I suspect this has already had a thread done, if so could someone please direct me to it.

So, as I was re-reading edgedancer, in chapter 10 where Lift breaks into Nin's building, we see him drop a pretty big reveal

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If the bonds between men and spren are re-ignited ... what comes next will allow the voidbringers to make the jump between worlds

What comes next is Szeth telling Nin that the listeners have now become voidbringers, and Nin disagreeing, but what I wanted to focus on is, where do the Voidbringers from previous desolatioms come from?

In Khriss' essay, we get confirmed that ashyn and Braize are habitable worlds in the rosharan sysem, however Braize is populated by

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Self aware splinters

and for Ashyn

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People here live in very small pockets of survivabillity

Seeing as voidbringers are not splinters (unless this refers to the Voidspren), and I doubt Voidbringers could come from Ashyn or would be considered people, it seems apparent to me that Voidbringers did not come from any of the habitaple planets in Roshar, or atleast cannot anymore, so I appeal to anyone with a theory, where did they come from?

[Weltall]

If you assume that the listener's 'forms of power' are what Rosharans generally think of as Voidbringers and you consider how Eshonai and the others get into that state, it's pretty clear that what makes them Voidbringers are the spren they bond with, which can indeed come from Braize without violating any of the quotes you bring up. Bear in mind that spren are Splinters or would be considered as such.

[+Lewis Nethur He/Him]

Well, keep in mind also that in Dalinar's flashbacks we see a voidspren animating a stone in a lake bed into a giant rock-monster, and if that's not worthy of being called a voidbringer I don't know what is...We don't have a precise definition for "voidbringer" yet.  Right now, it seems equally valid to treat midnight essences, parshendi bound to voidspren, thunderclasts, and indeed all giant rock-monsters serving Odium as "voidbringers," but this may change in the future as we learn more about these bizarre creatures.

I'd speculate that anything on Roshar that's bound to, or otherwise animated by, a voidspren or an Unmade could safely be considered a voidbringer at this point.  The voidspren, and possibly the Unmade, which seem to either be splinters of Odium or pre-shattering-splinters that Odium hijacked with his Investiture, are alleged to be based on Braize, though I can't remember if this has been stated in book yet; probably not.  How they're getting to Roshar from Braize, and why the return of the Radiants is supposedly allowing them to return to Roshar are still closely guarded secrets though. 

Something to do with Investiture and the Cognitive Realm no doubt, but we just don't have a lot to go on until the next big reveal.

[Andy92]

The only thing I'm certain is a Voidbringer is poor ole Wyndle.

[Bcknight2]

20 hours ago, hwiles said:

Well, keep in mind also that in Dalinar's flashbacks we see a voidspren animating a stone in a lake bed into a giant rock-monster, and if that's not worthy of being called a voidbringer I don't know what is...We don't have a precise definition for "voidbringer" yet.  Right now, it seems equally valid to treat midnight essences, parshendi bound to voidspren, thunderclasts, and indeed all giant rock-monsters serving Odium as "voidbringers," but this may change in the future as we learn more about these bizarre creatures.

I'd speculate that anything on Roshar that's bound to, or otherwise animated by, a voidspren or an Unmade could safely be considered a voidbringer at this point.  The voidspren, and possibly the Unmade, which seem to either be splinters of Odium or pre-shattering-splinters that Odium hijacked with his Investiture, are alleged to be based on Braize, though I can't remember if this has been stated in book yet; probably not.  How they're getting to Roshar from Braize, and why the return of the Radiants is supposedly allowing them to return to Roshar are still closely guarded secrets though. 

Something to do with Investiture and the Cognitive Realm no doubt, but we just don't have a lot to go on until the next big reveal.

Actually, IIRC in Dalinar's first vision that we see, he asks one of the Knights Radiant if they were fighting voidbringers. The KR basically scoffs and says this was only midnight essence. 

So we know for certain that the Knights did NOT consider midnight essence voidbringers. I imagine the same would apply to thunderclasts but, as far as I know, we have no confirmation of that at this point.

[Farnsworth]

In the Listener song of History, it says that "Tis said it was warm in the land far away / When Voidbringers entered our songs / We brought them home to stay/ And then those homes became their own. So wherever the Voidspren came from was hot. Ashyn is very warm, and close to the sun, so that's a definite possibility, really more so than Braize in my opinion.

[+Lewis Nethur He/Him]

Fair point @Bcknight2 .  Until we know what a voidbringer is, the question of "where they come from" is probably moot.  The best I can do to satisfy OP's curiosity is that, from what little we've seen, Odium's servants on Roshar appear to all be native to the planet that have been warped by voidspren introduced by Odium.  IE: a thunderclast appears to be a slab of granite that's been bonded with a voidspren in a manner that's more-or-less analogous to how stormform parshendi are made.

For the time being Odium lives on Braize and it's implied that he's Invested in the planet, so I think it's a safe bet that if he keeps a stockpile of minions somewhere, it's there.

It's possible that the Everstorm is acting as a Perpendicularity and that's how Odium is able to once again flood Roshar with his evil spren.  If this is the case, it would imply that Honor/Cultivation and/or the Heralds/Radiants had previously managed to lock, block, or otherwise jam Roshar's other Perpendicularities; presumably through some aspect of the Oathpact.  This is highly speculative though.

[Crucible of Shards he/him]

I believe either Brandon or AU has confirmed that Braize, while cold on the Physical realm, I actually quite hot on the Cognitive side, which would connect to the Listeners' song quoted above.

4 hours ago, Figberts said:

In the Listener song of History, it says that "Tis said it was warm in the land far away / When Voidbringers entered our songs / We brought them home to stay/ And then those homes became their own. So wherever the Voidspren came from was hot. Ashyn is very warm, and close to the sun, so that's a definite possibility, really more so than Braize in my opinion.

 

[Krandacth]

That Stanza actually has its own thread, where the "land that was warm" has seen some specific discussion:

I'm personally on the side of Parshendi being Worldhoppers within Greater Roshar (though probably native to Roshar) back before the Desolations, and encountering Voidspren in the Cognitive Realm of Braize (which is... very warm, by most in-book accounts).

Edited April 21, 2017 by Krandacth

[Reborn radiant]

2 hours ago, Krandacth said:

That Stanza actually has its own thread, where the "land that was warm" has seen some specific discussion:

I'm personally on the side of Parshendi being Worldhoppers back before the Desolations, and encountering Voidspren in the Cognitive Realm of Braize (which is... very warm, by most in-book accounts).

Okay this one makes sense for me. It has been told that parshendi are native to roshar and not humans (kinda makes sense because of they symbiosis with spren and what not like other great shells), and that they predate arrival of shards. So I think it's possible that after arrival of honor,cultivation,odium they bonded with odium spren by mistake and became the first void bringers.
I am probably rambling, but it kinda makes sense to me.

[Sanderson-Savant]

Thanks for all the posts guys, got a lot of food for thought

[CalaCrisp88]

Wasn't Ashyn the hot one and Braize cold?

 

Nvm, the op of that other thread fixed it already

Edited April 28, 2017 by 8giraffe8