John Carter of Roshar

[EC11 he/him]

I was thinking recently, according to Arcanum Unbounded, Roshar only has a gravity of 0.7 Cosmere standard while places like Sel have 1.2 cosmere standard and Scadrial is 1 cosmere standard. Now if anyone remembers (or has heard of) the story John Carter of Mars then they will understand the premise I am getting at.

According to this idea, someone not from Roshar would be stronger than a native Rosharan as they come from a world with heavier gravity, would that not make a big difference in strength or interaction with the locals to a world hopper?

[Jondesu he/him]

2 hours ago, EC11 said:

I was thinking recently, according to Arcanum Unbounded, Roshar only has a gravity of 0.7 Cosmere standard while places like Sel have 1.2 cosmere standard and Scadrial is 1 cosmere standard. Now if anyone remembers (or has heard of) the story John Carter of Mars then they will understand the premise I am getting at.

According to this idea, someone not from Roshar would be stronger than a native Rosharan as they come from a world with heavier gravity, would that not make a big difference in strength or interaction with the locals to a world hopper?

It's an interesting thought, and we do have several examples of worldhoppers on Roshar, but no real reference point as to their strength in relation to gravity.  Zahel/Vasher never really does anything…active when we see him (usually he's just lounging around and trying not to do anything active, in fact), Hoid certainly moves around a lot but he's hardly a good reference point, nor does he display any particular extra strength.  The three worldhoppers in the Purelake would probably be our best bet, but we didn't see enough of them yet to know.

[Landis963 he/him]

It would explain how Felt took so easily to the job of chasm-jumping, though.  

[Jondesu he/him]

1 hour ago, Landis963 said:

It would explain how Felt took so easily to the job of chasm-jumping, though.  

Ooh, good point, I'd forgotten Felt.  He definitely would have an advantage there I'd assume.

[Weltall]

Yeah, I was wondering about that sort of thing as well. We don't have many examples of worldhoppers being affected one way or the other by Roshar's reduced gravity but it will probably come up eventually and no doubt the issue in general will come up in Mistborn Era 4. Good thing Scadrial has weight-manipulation available to anyone who can get their hands on a medallion and Roshar has gravity manipulation that could theoretically be replicated in a fabrial.

[Calderis he/him]

Correct me if I'm wrong please, but the way that I understand it, a slight variation in gravity the way we see between shard worlds shouldn't have much of a noticeable impact on strength beyond core muscles and the heart. The heart of having to overcome more or less gravity, leading to higher blood pressure needed for blood to reach the brain and escape the legs. 

Physical strength though... If the humans are biologically identical, than a lower gravity should allow them to lift a larger mass, but the same weight and vice versa. 

For the sedentary there would be a much bigger difference, but for the active... 

Edited April 12, 2017 by Calderis
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[The One Who Connects he/him]

This was actually covered in the Roshar vs Era 1 Scadrial Thread before they decided to bypass the gravity issue and just have it be a military theoretical idea.

Fair warning about image size, as I cannot edit the size while on mobile. But they explained it better than I could, so here you go.

In essence: you'd be stronger on a lower grab world, but only for a while as you adapt to it. And vice versa for a higher gravity world.

Edited April 12, 2017 by The One Who Connects
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[EC11 he/him]

On 4/12/2017 at 6:02 PM, Weltall said:

Yeah, I was wondering about that sort of thing as well. We don't have many examples of worldhoppers being affected one way or the other by Roshar's reduced gravity but it will probably come up eventually and no doubt the issue in general will come up in Mistborn Era 4. Good thing Scadrial has weight-manipulation available to anyone who can get their hands on a medallion and Roshar has gravity manipulation that could theoretically be replicated in a fabrial.

 

Would the idea be applicable? Though that's something that might benefit current world hoppers if South Scadrian tech was utilized like that before Mistborn Era 2.

[EC11 he/him]

On 4/12/2017 at 6:13 PM, The One Who Connects said:

In essence: you'd be stronger on a lower grab world, but only for a while as you adapt to it. And vice versa for a higher gravity world.

Would it be possible though for a world hopper to stave off some of those effects by going back and forth do you think?

[The One Who Connects he/him]

1 minute ago, EC11 said:

Would it be possible though for a world hopper to stave off some of those effects by going back and forth do you think?

Can't delay it entirely, but it should affect them slower. They would begin to be affected from the start, and even walking in a different gravity would start your body on the path to adapting to it. But then you would go back to your gravity and start re-adapting to what you are used to, and then vice versa.

I'm no expert, but it's a similar concept to how runners function after training in higher altitudes. (Since that is something you can look up without too much trouble)

[Djarskublar he/him]

I think a much more relevant point is that Roshar's atmosphere is highly oxygenated. It's another of the reasons greatshells are a thing, along with the gravity and spren symbiosis.

https://xkcd.com/852/

This is relevant to the discussion as well... sorta. Plugs for xkcd never hurt tho 

[EC11 he/him]

2 hours ago, The One Who Connects said:

Can't delay it entirely, but it should affect them slower. They would begin to be affected from the start, and even walking in a different gravity would start your body on the path to adapting to it. But then you would go back to your gravity and start re-adapting to what you are used to, and then vice versa.

I'm no expert, but it's a similar concept to how runners function after training in higher altitudes. (Since that is something you can look up without too much trouble)

Interesting. That might be an apt comparison though (the altitude training).

Though now I'm curious if this is an issue which affects worldhoppers a lot, or whether there is some way of magically adapting to it. Freuchemists might be well suited to such expeditions.