Farnsworth Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 In To Kill, Szeth notices that in the garden there are statues of all the heralds except for Shalash. Why did Galivar remove her?
Argent he/him Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 It's very very likely that it is because Shalash broke it 1
Landis963 he/him Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Figberts said: In To Kill, Szeth notices that in the garden there are statues of all the heralds except for Shalash. Why did Galivar remove her? If I had to hazard a guess, it's because the genuine article got to it. EDIT: Aaaand ninja'd. Edited March 23, 2017 by Landis963
Krandacth Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) My head canon is that Shalash had been through recently and de-faced it, so it had been taken down for repair (as I have been ninja's about). It could also have been the statue used by Jasnah in her confrontation with Ivory. She may have Elsecalled it to fight on her behalf, because: # Her experiences in the WoR prologue don't match Shallan's experiences with Soulcasting. # She didn't remark on its absence on her way through the same entrance hall. However, I'm not convinced she didn't just use its pattern within the cognitive realm to shape the contents of that realm, as may be a basic function of that realm not related to the surges. We need to know more about Shadesmar, really. Edited March 23, 2017 by Krandacth
Weltall Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 Yah, we know (or technically, very strongly assume) that Shallash is The Mistress, the woman going around destroying artwork with a noteable emphasis on, well, herself. We see another example of this in Lift's interlude where yet another depiction of a certain Herald in yet another royal residence has been defaced.
Zennix he/him Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, Weltall said: Yah, we know (or technically, very strongly assume) that Shallash is The Mistress, the woman going around destroying artwork with a noteable emphasis on, well, herself. We see another example of this in Lift's interlude where yet another depiction of a certain Herald in yet another royal residence has been defaced. I think we've got enough evidence to diagnose her of having Reverse Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I guess that's her brand of the insanity flying around among the Heralds.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 20 hours ago, Weltall said: Yah, we know (or technically, very strongly assume) that Shallash is The Mistress, the woman going around destroying artwork with a noteable emphasis on, well, herself. We see another example of this in Lift's interlude where yet another depiction of a certain Herald in yet another royal residence has been defaced. We actually know for sure. 1
Rage_Fortress he/him Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 20 hours ago, Krandacth said: It could also have been the statue used by Jasnah in her confrontation with Ivory. She may have Elsecalled it to fight on her behalf I really like this idea. I've always viewed Soulcasting as more like Full Metal Alchemist style alchemy, and Elsecalling to be more like what Elizabeth does in Bioshock Infinite. Literally bringing sometime over from another plane of existence. I know it's a bit of an ask to hope there are others on this site that know both of the comparisons I just made. LOL
Argent he/him Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 1 hour ago, theuntaintedchild said: I really like this idea. I've always viewed Soulcasting as more like Full Metal Alchemist style alchemy, and Elsecalling to be more like what Elizabeth does in Bioshock Infinite. Literally bringing sometime over from another plane of existence. I know it's a bit of an ask to hope there are others on this site that know both of the comparisons I just made. LOL Soulcasting does work kind of like that, yes, but Elsecalling is more about teleportation than different realities.
Landis963 he/him Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Argent said: Soulcasting does work kind of like that, yes, but Elsecalling is more about teleportation than different realities. If I may quibble: Elsecalling is about one other reality - the Cognitive Realm (and therefore is much more like teleportation). Elizabeth's tears are about many other realities (and are closer in essence to the Realmatic powers granted by tapping into the Spiritual Realm, now I think of it). Edited March 24, 2017 by Landis963
stonedshaman Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 @Landis963 did you just make a bioshock comparison? If so I applaud you
Landis963 he/him Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 14 hours ago, stonedshaman said: @Landis963 did you just make a bioshock comparison? If so I applaud you @theuntaintedchild started it.
stonedshaman Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Right. I must of glanced over that part. We'll blame my namesake for that one. Firemoss will mess you up. Edited March 27, 2017 by stonedshaman
mapledonut Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 On 3/23/2017 at 2:54 PM, Krandacth said: My head canon is that Shalash had been through recently and de-faced it, so it had been taken down for repair (as I have been ninja's about). It could also have been the statue used by Jasnah in her confrontation with Ivory. She may have Elsecalled it to fight on her behalf, because: # Her experiences in the WoR prologue don't match Shallan's experiences with Soulcasting. # She didn't remark on its absence on her way through the same entrance hall. However, I'm not convinced she didn't just use its pattern within the cognitive realm to shape the contents of that realm, as may be a basic function of that realm not related to the surges. We need to know more about Shadesmar, really. It specifically says in the prologue that the statue she uses is Talenelat'Elin, Herald of War. Interestingly, Jasnah definitely goes down the hallway before Szeth (she sees him setting up for the Parshendi drummers, before he goes to kill Gavilar), but on his way to kill Gavilar he looks at the statues and specifically sees that Talenelat is there and Shalash is not. So where is Shalash? Did Talenelat simple go back to his place as a statue after the fight? As a side note, it is interesting that the Herald who defends Jasnah in this fight is Taln, the one they abandoned. He is also primarily Dependable, so it is interesting that he is the only Herald to not abandon mankind (not that he was given the choice). 1
Spoolofwhool Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, mapledonut said: It specifically says in the prologue that the statue she uses is Talenelat'Elin, Herald of War. Interestingly, Jasnah definitely goes down the hallway before Szeth (she sees him setting up for the Parshendi drummers, before he goes to kill Gavilar), but on his way to kill Gavilar he looks at the statues and specifically sees that Talenelat is there and Shalash is not. So where is Shalash? Did Talenelat simple go back to his place as a statue after the fight? As a side note, it is interesting that the Herald who defends Jasnah in this fight is Taln, the one they abandoned. He is also primarily Dependable, so it is interesting that he is the only Herald to not abandon mankind (not that he was given the choice). I have a feeling she just touched and moved the cognitive aspect of the statue. The physical aspect remained where it was the whole time. 2
Krandacth Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 3 hours ago, mapledonut said: It specifically says in the prologue that the statue she uses is Talenelat'Elin, Herald of War. Ah, thanks for that clarification. I'd forgotten that this was actually specified! Must need another reread :-P 1
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