Cosmere Savant Posted March 9, 2017 Report Share Posted March 9, 2017 So I have been lurking around here for a while know, but I had an idea that was too awesome not to post. My idea was that, all shards are made of spren. Shardblades are made of Bonded spren like Honorspren and Shardplate is made of other spren like Windspren and the way that a Surgebinder Connects themselves enough to these spren is by inhaling them in the form of Stormlight. We know that gemstones hold spren Quote Khriss-"I am more and more convinced that the creation of these devices requires forced enslavement of transformative cognitive entities, known as "spren" to the local communities" and I was wondering to different types of gemstone hold different types of spren? Also we know that some Radiants can control the Stormlight better than others to the extent of forming into glyphs like Kalladin did before his battle with Szeth. So can an even more accomplished Radiant form Stormlight taken from specific gemstones into Shardplate? Let me know what you think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modal Seoul Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Shardplate is Stormlight, in a sense. When you read WoK and WoR, it says that Shardplate leaks Stormlight when damaged. But I think Shardplate works a bit like the spheres they use for currency, not actual Stormlight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmere Savant Posted March 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Normal Shardplate works like that yes, but living Shardblades are extremely different from dead ones maybe there is such a thing as living Shardplate too. And also maybe Shardplate leaks Stormlight because it's trying to recapture it's lost sould/spren whatever where true/living Shardplate already has that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clevelam Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 There is definitely living shardplate, i believe the stormvision of the betrayal of the radiants specifically stated the armor was glowing along the seams, and the current day shardplate does not do that. Not to mention when Kaladin takes the helmet and puts it on his hand during the full disadvantage fight, and it practically robbed him of all his stormlight, which would not have worked so well if the radiants lost the majority of their stormlight every time they took a hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmere Savant Posted March 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 I agree that having armor that robbed you of your most valuable resource would not be a very good investment and that is why I think that original Shardplate was made of Stormlight. That could also be the reason Shardplate cracks when struck an area of plate is struck and Stormlight is destroyed in the blow then that section of the plate draws stormlight from other peices around causing a glowing web of slightly weakened cracks rather than a very weakened small section of plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 On 14/3/2017 at 2:41 AM, clevelam said: There is definitely living shardplate, i believe the stormvision of the betrayal of the radiants specifically stated the armor was glowing along the seams, and the current day shardplate does not do that. Not to mention when Kaladin takes the helmet and puts it on his hand during the full disadvantage fight, and it practically robbed him of all his stormlight, which would not have worked so well if the radiants lost the majority of their stormlight every time they took a hit. The last part isn't related. Kaladin could drain the helmet because noone was using It. The Investiture was unused and Kal could take It. If someone was using the Plate. This Will Key the Stormlight to him in the meanwhile and no Radiant could take It. Returning to living Plate. We don't actually know if this distinction exist at all....Plates were fueled by Radiants and now by gemstone. This could be the all difference without dictate a difference in the Plate itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikorr Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) Well, there's several things we know about shardplate: - the KR version glowed (previously stated) - it moulds itself to the wearer - it will regrow - if you lose the helmet, but keep the breastplate, you can regrow the helmet, and the 'lost helmet' disintegrates - the KR's helmet in Dalinar's vision just disappeared All of this is explainable if Shardplate exists somewhat in the Cognitive Realm, because the cognitive realm relies on an objects (or persons) view of itself. And if it has some simple sentience, then the above becomes even more explainable. In other words, that Shardplate may consist of spren, is a pretty good guess. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That it may consist of Windspren is also a pretty decent guess, because: - shardplate doesn't interfere with KR abilities but does with Szeths - while we see Syl getting upset at shardblades, we don't see her getting upset at shardplate - is the amount of windspren Kaladin seems to be attracting (though there are other explanations for this) - Syl only became a shardblade. There seems no reason for her to become plate as well, nor any indication that she will (whereas most of us saw her becoming a shardblade coming) Overall, like the idea. Edited March 20, 2017 by vikorr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 56 minutes ago, vikorr said: - shardplate doesn't interfere with KR abilities but does with Szeths This could be a wrong information Szeth has. For our understanding of the Investiture, Szeth's Surgebinding May work in Plate ...If this doesn't happen, the ramifications could be deeply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikorr Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 On 3/20/2017 at 3:52 PM, vikorr said: Well, there's several things we know about shardplate: I should also add that Shardplate and Shardblade cannot both be of the KR's bonded spren. Shardplate and Shardblade are separate entities because they can be separated. Said in different ways : one person can use shardplate, while another person can use the blade. And you can use the chestplate (of shardplate) to regrow the rest of shardplate - but you can't use it to regrow a blade you've lost, nor can you use the blade to regrow the plate. This means they are different entities (referencing the cognitive realm). So I'd say there's a 99.9% chance that plate is indeed from other spren, and that those spren are the 'cousin spren' (so for windrunners, windspren) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmere Savant Posted March 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Yes, my thoughts exactly and it seems pretty obvious that Windrunners Plate Spren are Windspren but what could it be for other orders? Do all the orders even have access to Shardplate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 16 hours ago, Cosmere Savant said: Do all the orders even have access to Shardplate? Not all of them chose to use it, but it was there if they wanted it. Quote Did all orders of Knights Radiants use Shardplate? Brandon Sanderson It was available to all of them, and they could (all) use it. Many Knights (not Orders) chose not to. There were Knights who were not soldiers and had no interest in wearing Shardplate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulminato Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 On 19/3/2017 at 7:46 AM, Yata said: The last part isn't related. 1) Kaladin could drain the helmet because noone was using It. The Investiture was unused and Kal could take It. If someone was using the Plate. This Will Key the Stormlight to him in the meanwhile and no Radiant could take It. 2) Returning to living Plate. We don't actually know if this distinction exist at all....Plates were fueled by Radiants and now by gemstone. This could be the all difference without dictate a difference in the Plate itself 1) don't are the opposite? the helm drain the kaladin stormlight to hold themself and don't shattered after a couple of shardblade hit "Kaladin stumbled to a halt. He tried to suck in more, but all of his spheres were drained. The helm, he realized, noticing that it was gushing Stormlight from its numerous cracks, yet hadn’t exploded. It had somehow fed upon his Stormlight." WoR, chapter 57 2) http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=977#155 Quote PRICKLYBEAR Is there a functional/structural difference between modern-day Shardplate and the stuff the Radiants wore? Did the Radiants have to use infused gems to keep their suits going or could they just 'breathe in' Stormlight and feed the suit off of their 'inhaled' reserves? BRANDON SANDERSON Something is different. You will find out what. i don't think the term "living shardplate" are correct, but a difference still exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildSpeculation Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 20 hours ago, Cosmere Savant said: Yes, my thoughts exactly and it seems pretty obvious that Windrunners Plate Spren are Windspren but what could it be for other orders? Do all the orders even have access to Shardplate? We were speculating about these 'minor' spren, or 'cousin' spren in the Edgedancer Spoiler board if you want to jump back in it. See here: Minor Spren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmere Savant Posted March 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 22 hours ago, Fulminato said: i don't think the term "living shardplate" are correct, but a difference still exist Well we know that living shardblades can be summoned and dismissed in an instant where as dead shardblades take 10 heartbeats to summon. We also know that the Radiants can summon bits of their shardplate on and off like that female radiant in Dalinar's vision. I think that since the shardplate the radiants wore could be summoned in an instant and the shardblades they had could be summoned in an instant and neither of their modern day counterparts can be summoned instantaneously, I think that since the term 'living shardblades' exists why not just say 'living' shardplate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFrost Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 I had a theroy much like this one but i belive insted of shardplate being actually stormlight i think that the plate is made out of crystalized stormlight. Sanderson likes to make his magic systems include some of the laws of physics so why wouldn't stormlight have three forms solid, liquid, and gas(most commen form). Also since the lightweavers can form illusions perhaps they may be able to create solid objects other than shardplate. This also rules out the shardplate comes from more oaths becasue lightweavers only have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 @NightFrost Lightweavers still have progression through the levels of the bond, but instead of "oaths" they have to face difficult truths about themselves. It's the same system, but the Spren enforces a different rule set for the level up. So if shard plate came at the 4th or 5th "level" they'd still have to advance that many times. In many ways the lightweavers have it harder than other orders. Everyone else has a set path to follow, with a specific concept that must be taken to heart in order to advance. Lightweavers have to forge their own path. There's nothing to show them the way. Even if they had a Lightweavers further along then they are around, that person would be able to share how they advanced and have it bear no relevance to another person of the same order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulminato Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, NightFrost said: I had a theroy much like this one but i belive insted of shardplate being actually stormlight i think that the plate is made out of crystalized stormlight. Sanderson likes to make his magic systems include some of the laws of physics so why wouldn't stormlight have three forms solid, liquid, and gas(most commen form). Also since the lightweavers can form illusions perhaps they may be able to create solid objects other than shardplate. This also rules out the shardplate comes from more oaths becasue lightweavers only have one. all radiant have their own shardplate, so must come from a source all radiant (of any order) can use. like the blade. cannot be 'made' by only one order. and if any 'surge' are used are the surge of transformation, the power of soulcasting. the different color of glowing plate match the color of the gem associated to the order (herald, essence, gem and knigh order) mean a difference, but all plate are grey, even the suit radiants wore. in the end the dalinar's starfall vision (WotK chapter 19) the windrunner's plate don't glow, only the 'doblue eye' symbol in the breastplate have a faint blu light Edited March 31, 2017 by Fulminato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djarskublar Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 I have been thinking about this topic for a bit recently, and was going to post a couple days ago, then decided to mull it over more. My guess is that, regardless of how the Plate is made, it will work as a battery for the Radiant and also be able to repair itself somewhat. There are several theories floating around about how Plate is made, and I personally like the companion spren theory best, but that is beside the point. One way or another, the Plate is made of pure Investiture just like Shardblades, regardless of the framework holding it together. My theory, then, is that 'living' Plate will have small growths on it that can be consumed to give the Knight a power boost as needed, or to repair cracks in the armor faster. The growth would sublimate and then either be grabbed by the Knight, or sucked into a crack in the Plate to repair it. If you have your Plate on in a storm, these growths will grow back, at least partially. Originally, Plate didn't have gemstones inserted, so it must have run off something. Running off the Radiant would be too draining, so it must have a power reserve. This is my guess as to how that power reserve would work. I think of it as similar to plants converting sugars to starches for long term storage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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