WildSpeculation

It takes a while for newly raised Aes Sedai to develop the ageless face after swearing the Three Oaths. So it is possible that new(ish) Aes Sedai were sent to capture Rand. They wouldn't have the ageless face yet and would have been harder to detect. Setalle Anan should know this so she may have suspected that while Nynaeve and Elayne could be newly raised full Aes Sedai, I think other things tipped her off that those tow had not sworn the Three Oaths. So, I don't see an inconsistency.

This is something you should never have to apologize for. But if you are being chull dung (which you are not), you can apologize for that.

No book so no quote: but I believe that the Blade given to Moash after he killed Jezrieh was the Honorblade that Mr. T had. Odium got it from him after their talk at the end of the book.

Sorry guys, long weekend and I let this tread die, but you deserve responses. I like some of what you have going on here. I was unsure with the Mistspren, at first I thought that they were a minorspren because they were serving the Honorspren on their ship. However, all of the other minor spren that we saw (Lifespren and Gloryspren for example) were not sapient. So I do now agree that Mistspren are probably a Majorspren. How did you come to place them with Truthwatchers? Is there something in the story or WoBs that I missed? (entirely possible) If we put Mistspren as a majorspren You make a very convincing argument and in fact I had Lightspren in that spot. I moved it down to possible spren before I posted this chart because I didn't think there was enough evidence. I will put it back now, but mark it as unconfirmed. Yes, this is not the first time that we have tried to put things in an easy to read format. In fact, I have posted this chart before Oathbringer. Obviously it was an older version using the information that we had at the time. For this, I am still not convinced that the Unmade belong on this chart. I did find the discussion fascinating and saw many convincing arguments on both sides. With all of that being said, I did fill in the chart with all of the Unmade, marked as unconfirmed. Thanks for all of the feedback everyone! The theorizing and guessing is one of the things that I love about Brandon's books!

I understand the statement, but that is the term that is going around the forums since WoR, so I used it here. It is also in use on the coppermind:

1. I tend to agree with you. I did jump into the deep end with the preview chapter of Shallan fighting Re-Shephir. That is partially why I don't have any other Unmade in the actual chart and may remove that column entirely. for now it will sit there until the hype from Oathbringer cools down and more study and theories are put out on the forums. 2. From Edgedancer - Lift seems to have an ability to speak with the urchin that can't be explained easily. 3. I think we need to be careful using Renarin as an example of what a Truthwatcher is. He is bonded to what appears to be an Odium tainted spren. In his PoV, he mentions that the visions are not from him nor is it from Glys, but something separate. (at work, no book, so no quote) The actual Truthwatcher Resonance may be something else entirely. 4. I think connection may just be Spiritual adhesion. I think what he did with Shallan and the map is something different. However, you do have a valid argument and I can see the enhancement just being another example of Connection. I might put both in that space until we get more information, maybe from WoBs from the events.

Nope, that is why it is highlighted yellow (yellow are guesses) and tagged wild speculation. I had Gloryspren marked as Bondsmith's minor spren and future sight as Truthwatcher's Resonance before Oathbringer. As you can see, I unhighlighted Gloryspren and crossed out futuresight as they were confirmed/blown out of the water in Oathbringer. I am hoping to fill in more of the chart with confirmed information and guesses and see what we can do. The goal of this chart is to try to get as much information in one place to see if there is any correlation. As you can see I inserted the Unmade into the chart after the preview chapters; however, I did not see any further confirmation throughout the rest of the book so that whole column remains highlighted. I may remove it or just move it into a separate chart, but I could see a argument to try to put the Thrill (Nergaoul) is a corruption of the Divine Attributes of Brave and Confident or Obedient. So throw those WildSpeculations around and let's see if we can guess some things correctly.

This has been speculated before, I have tried to catalogue the major and minor spren as we learn them, feel free to join in! [OB] Comprehensive Surgebinding Chart

I am looking for some feedback on my Surgebinding chart that has been updated for Oathbringer. I am sure many of you saw Connections that I missed. I have included an Excel doc, a PDF doc, and picture for your viewing pleasure. And here we go: Stormlight.pdf Stormlight.xlsx

Or, he is a smart married man.

If I remember correctly, Renarin explains this in book. (I am at work and do not have on hand for a quote) He explains it using a plate as a metaphor. If you etch a circle into a plate and then break the plate, you will likely get a circle among the broken pieces. The breaks would follow the path of least resistance and break around the already weakened part with the circle.

Oh double post because I like your theory as well! This makes sense when combined with the connection I was trying to make in my post. The Unmade were the 'anti-heralds' of the Parshendi. When the Bondsmith broke the Listeners and made them Parshmen, it caused Re-Shephir to lose that piece of her. I can't wait to see what version is true! That is part of what I love about these books!

Unless, the Unmade came back WITH the Heralds every Desolation. It was only after the broke their oaths that the Unmade separated from the Heralds causing Re-Shephir to search for that piece it lost and perhaps to lose that bit of sapience. Similar to how Syl and Patern get 'smarter' as their bond grows stronger. If the Heralds are 'bonded' to the Unmade and breaking their oaths separated them, This could explain it. I know the timelines of centuries doesn't add up to the prelude, but I always assumed that there was less time and fewer Desolations than modern day Vorinism claims.

I am honestly throwing around with the idea that the Unmade are somehow a 'shadow' of the Heralds. I am not sure I agree with the theory floating around about the Unmade were created whenever a Herald broke and started a Desolation, but some of the comments in Shallan's chapter provide some credence the idea that the Unmade and Heralds are at least related. For example: Sounds like Shallash to me. All of this is curious to me. I don't know that I can firmly say that I believe the Unmade are corrupted portions of the Heralds, but I am being swayed.

I was trying to figure out what those ones appeared to be, but yes it looks like you might be right. I am going to put Gloryspren in my Stormlight Chart as speculation and see how it plays out in a couple weeks. That leaves me 6/10 minorspren filled out. Given most of those are guesses, but.....