Metalminds and steel vision; steelpushing on Roshar

[Valtak]

So, I know from WoB that how invested a metal is has a direct effect on how difficult it is to push or pull with allomancy. Regular metal presents no problems, Nightblood would be damnation near impossible. 

This leads me to believe the same is true of a heavily invested feruchemical storage metal, or a hemalurgic spike. What I don't know however, is if heavily invested metals have weak "blue lines" when burning steel. The only point I recall seeing feruchemical stores under steel (or in this case, iron) vision is when Vin was attempting to divest the Lord Ruler of his bracers. In that case, the lines were very dim, but also piercing his body (which is implied to be the reason for the dim lines). I can't recall ever having a PoV attempt to view a hemalurgic spike with steel vision.

So, my question is: do heavily invested metals have a weak signature (blue lines) under steel vision? Do we have a WoB on this? Does the community have any evidence one way or another? 

 

Secondary question regarding steel and iron: we learn in SH that metals glow in the cognitive realm around Scadrial, similar to souls. I assume this is not the case in Shadesmar, since we haven't heard of it or noticed it in our PoV visits. This leads me to believe that metals have innate investiture on Scadrial. Does this mean that a worldhopping mistborn would have an easier time pushing on, for example, the Rosharan counterparts of common metals on Scadrial?

[Spoolofwhool]

Steel/iron pushing/pulling is a gradient scale on invested metals. The most invested they are, the weaker the steel lines, and therefore the weaker the ability to push it. Eventually, the object is so invested that it stops creating metal lines. Example of this is when Wax tried to view the bands of mourning. I don't think we've actually had an opportunity to see someone's viewpoint on pushing on a normal metalmind, but since the strength of metal lines is a function of how well you can push on something, Imy fairly certain you would see a weaker line for invested objects.

 

First nitpick. Shadesmar is a term for the entire Cognitive Realm, not just the Rosharan region, which is what I presume you're using it for.

I don't think metals on Scadrial are more invested than normal. It think it had to do with the nature of the planet and its influence over its cognitive realm combined with the fact that metals are a significant factor.

 

[Kurkistan he/him]

Regarding the first question, I believe there's a point in Shadows of Self where Wax uses his Allomantic steel to assess whether something is a spike.

[Valtak]

Thanks for the answers.

@Spoolofwhool Regarding to the Shadesmar point,

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Is Shadesmar just a name for the Cognitive Realm or is there a difference?

BRANDON SANDERSON

The answer he gave me was a little confusing but he clarified it by saying that it was like San Diego was a part of the United States but the United States wasn’t a part of San Diego. I asked if this meant that Shadesmar was a location in the Cognitive Realm and he said yes.

Which is confusing, because I also found this

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INTERVIEW: Oct 5th, 2013

Steelheart Signing Report - Argent(Paraphrased)

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Do the Spiritual and Physical Realms have names, like Shadesmar is the Cognitive Realm?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Kind of, but not really. Shadesmar is just a rough translation of "Cognitive Realm" in the language of whoever first found out about it. Other people, planets, and worlds wouldn't call it Shadesmar, they would call it whatever their words for "Cognitive Realm" are. This applies to the Physical and Spiritual as well.

...But then I found this

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INTERVIEW: Mar 4th, 2014

WoR Signing Report - Talenelat (Verbatim)

LEINTON

Is there a difference between Shadesmar and the Cognitive realm?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Shadesmar is a word for the Cognitive Realm specifically touching - It's like San Diego is a word for a place in America. It's a local word.

Ignore the extra spoiler tags. I don't know how to get rid of them.
GODKING KURKISTAN IS THE BEST.

Either way, I'm going to assume that Brandon intends Shadesmar to be a local word for the cognitive realm around Roshar, but he isn't very clear and he is misinterpreted sometimes.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Kurkistan

[Spoolofwhool]

There areally a number of others which has Brandon stating Shadesmar as a term for the entire Cognitive Realm so I'm going to keep using it that way.

[The One Who Connects he/him]

1 minute ago, Spoolofwhool said:

There areally a number of others which has Brandon stating Shadesmar as a term for the entire Cognitive Realm so I'm going to keep using it that way.

I always took it as Shadesmar was "Cognitive Realm" in whatever language was prevalent on Roshar at the time of discovery. They mean the same thing, and since no other planets seem to have a name for the CR, it stuck with people like Khriss.

"Window" is Ventana in Spanish, "Cognitive Realm" is Shadesmar in Dawnchant, or something like that

[Jofwu he/him]

3 hours ago, Valtak said:

Either way, I'm going to assume that Brandon intends Shadesmar to be a local word for the cognitive realm around Roshar, but he isn't very clear and he is misinterpreted sometimes.

Shadesmar is a Rosharan term for the entire Cognitive Realm. It's a word that you'll probably only hear from Rosharans, but that doesn't mean it only refers to their corner of the Cognitive Realm. Some fans really like the term Shadesmar, so they may use that instead. Others prefer the more generic, 'scientific' term (Cognitive Realm). Brandon uses the terms interchangeably.

Of course, we all naturally tend to use "Shadesmar" in the context of Stormlight Archive. Simply because that's what the characters there call that realm. But it's definitely a mistake to say that Shadesmar only refers to the Rosharan portion of the Cognitive Realm. A Rosharan scholar (who's in the know) would use the term Shadesmar to refer to the entire Cognitive Realm.

[Landis963 he/him]

Khriss also calls it Shadesmar, but given that the Rosharan system has an entire civilization of Cognitive beings, and three entire subsets of Invested people that interface directly with the Cognitive Realm, it's not too farfetched to think that Silverlight would simply adopt their words for it.  Especially when "The Cognitive Realm" becomes too unwieldy to use in a sentence.