Weltall Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Shadesmar is the local term for the Cognitive Realm while Ashyn is a distinct planet (and totally separate from Braize). The whole 'Braize is cold but Damnation is hot' thing sounds strange but there are a couple possible explanations for that. One is that temperature is inverted in the Cognitive Realm (like how land in the Physical is a sea in the Cognitive and vice versa) so the Heralds who are in the Cognitive while being tortured perceive it as burning hot while someone on the planet in the Physical would experience the opposite. Another possibility is that the temperature of Braize in the Physical is irrelevant and Odium is using some of his Shard-y power to manipulate how the Heralds experience things because he's literally the god of hate and just likes making them suffer in different ways.
Spoolofwhool Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Ashyn is shown to be a planet on the star map, so I don't see how it could be a cognitive location.
Landis963 he/him Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 On 2/7/2017 at 11:33 AM, Spoolofwhool said: Ashyn is shown to be a planet on the star map, so I don't see how it could be a cognitive location. The same way Roshar is a cognitive location, of course. 1
Reaperess she/her Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 On 2/6/2017 at 9:52 PM, Weltall said: Shadesmar is the local term for the Cognitive Realm while Ashyn is a distinct planet (and totally separate from Braize). The whole 'Braize is cold but Damnation is hot' thing sounds strange but there are a couple possible explanations for that. One is that temperature is inverted in the Cognitive Realm (like how land in the Physical is a sea in the Cognitive and vice versa) so the Heralds who are in the Cognitive while being tortured perceive it as burning hot while someone on the planet in the Physical would experience the opposite. Another possibility is that the temperature of Braize in the Physical is irrelevant and Odium is using some of his Shard-y power to manipulate how the Heralds experience things because he's literally the god of hate and just likes making them suffer in different ways. That's what I've assumed. Reversal of Experiences in the cognitive, and maybe Odium is stuck in the cognitive realm. My guess is that the Heralds go to the cognitive realm on Braize, and they seal Odium there with their honorblades.
The Sovereign Posted September 26, 2017 Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) On 1/15/2017 at 10:25 PM, Spoolofwhool said: That's hasn't been revealed as far as I'm aware. My feeling is that the asterisk is along the lines of why he isn't displaying his full Herald potential despite having his Honorblade. So what Brandon is saying is that he has his Honorblade, but he doesn't have the power he used to have when he had it. As per usual @Spoolofwhool I suspect you have the right of it. Just going out on a limb but I suspect we will find out that the Herald's connection to Honor is severed or at least weakened. Alternately that they have built/strengthened a connection to Odium. SH Spoiler: When Kelsier takes up Preservation after using the Selish connection [fabrial] he notes that the power is fighting him and that he knows it would rip away if he didn't hold it by force. I do suspect part of this is his lack of a physical aspect, but also the fabricated connection and his conflicting connection to Ruin. I think we are seeing something similar with the Heralds albeit on a much smaller scale. Edited September 26, 2017 by The Sovereign
+Wax he/him Posted September 26, 2017 Posted September 26, 2017 My view is that the heralds are not Heralds anymore. They are shadows of that and any man who takes up the oathpact will become the herald.
Watchcry he/him Posted September 27, 2017 Posted September 27, 2017 9 hours ago, axcellence said: My view is that the heralds are not Heralds anymore. They are shadows of that and any man who takes up the oathpact will become the herald. How does one take up the oathpact exactly?
thejopen27 he/him Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 On 1/15/2017 at 3:09 PM, rjl said: @Yata Quick follows up to your points: 1. If it's raw number this line doesn't seem to make sense: "then men will naturally discover the greater power of the oaths. Without Honour to regulate this, there is a small chance that what comes next will allow the Voidbinders to again make the jump between worlds" (edgedancer chapter 9 second page, page 495 in AU) - it sounds fairly clear that he's talking about some specific action the surgebinders would take. 2. So you're thinking that the spren these skybreaker initiates have bonded are ignorant? This seems odd compared with the knowledge that pattern and Syl have but heh it's a possibility. 3. Is there WOB on Nate having retrieved his honorblade? Why are you assuming that Nale was right? The Desolation came anyway, Nale didn't recognize the signs. The Spren all know the stakes but came anyway. I think Nale has been lied to.
+Ark1002 Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 I think the heralds are still heralds, as if they die they will go back to damnation, and they still have huge levels of power.
Weltall Posted July 25, 2018 Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) The Heralds have thousands of years of experience and can reincarnate but no 'powers' per se beyond that. Quote Seonid (paraphrased) I asked him to tell me about one of the Herald's innate powers. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) They have none. source What they used to have was a direct connection to Honor's Investiture that let them Surgebind without needing a source of Stormlight and gave them a raw power that the Radiants couldn't match, but the bond between their blades and them isn't as deep as a Nahel Bond so their healing isn't as effective and they also don't get squires, their blades can't transform and anyone using Honorblade-granted Surgebinding in the present is far less efficient with Stormlight than a proper Radiant. Edited July 25, 2018 by Weltall
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