bcsouza19 Posted December 26, 2016 Posted December 26, 2016 People, I need opinions on the Trell=Autonomy musing. I don't know if this has been answered elsewhere. Why would another Shard/splinter/sliver/whatever interfering on Scadrial create a new metal? We've seen sand from Taldain at that room where Mraize and Shallan talk, and Hoid holding Breath when he visited Kaladin in prison, and so on. But these things didn't become new spren or whatever when they came to Roshar, and I don't think Hoid became a Radiant. So yeah, I'm curious about why we get to see a new metal instead of Unmade/Sand masters/something else sauntering across Scadrial.
Jondesu he/him Posted December 26, 2016 Posted December 26, 2016 3 hours ago, bcsouza19 said: People, I need opinions on the Trell=Autonomy musing. I don't know if this has been answered elsewhere. Why would another Shard/splinter/sliver/whatever interfering on Scadrial create a new metal? We've seen sand from Taldain at that room where Mraize and Shallan talk, and Hoid holding Breath when he visited Kaladin in prison, and so on. But these things didn't become new spren or whatever when they came to Roshar, and I don't think Hoid became a Radiant. So yeah, I'm curious about why we get to see a new metal instead of Unmade/Sand masters/something else sauntering across Scadrial. As far as we know, it would require a Shard investing in Scadrial (not just interacting as we've suspected Trell is) to create a new god metal. However, there are a couple possibilities. The first is that Trell (Autonomy, or whoever else it might be) has either found a way to use their worlds native magic for a spike, or has somehow modified the metal used in a strange way. The second is that they did Invest in Scadrial and just managed to keep that fact secret from Harmony. The third is that there is some other type of magical hack going on (the cop out answer).
Yata he/him Posted December 26, 2016 Posted December 26, 2016 12 hours ago, Jondesu said: As far as we know, it would require a Shard investing in Scadrial (not just interacting as we've suspected Trell is) to create a new god metal. However, there are a couple possibilities. The first is that Trell (Autonomy, or whoever else it might be) has either found a way to use their worlds native magic for a spike, or has somehow modified the metal used in a strange way. The second is that they did Invest in Scadrial and just managed to keep that fact secret from Harmony. The third is that there is some other type of magical hack going on (the cop out answer). I am not really sure, I think a Shard may create a Godmetal almost everywhere in the Cosmere. Of course on Scadrial (or to be more precise, With Scadrial Magic) you may find a magical use to this godmetals, other magics will find this metal not different by the mundane ones. For Hypotesis, Trell knowing the Metallic Arts thanks to his/her Realmatic Knowledge, decide to exploit the Hemalurgy to Influence people on Scadrial...He/she creates a Trellium meteor and launch it on Scadrial's path. The outcome is that now there is some amount of Trellium on Scadrial (again this is just an hypotetical scenario)
Ari he/him Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) On 18/12/2016 at 5:38 PM, teknopathetic said: Another shard shouldnt be able to speak to a Spiked person. The reason Ruin and Preservation could speak to Scadrialites is because Ruin and Preservation had Created sentient life there. There was more connection involved between Ruin and Preservation and their creations. Another shard shouldnt share this ability as far as we've seen. Remember, Wax's earring is designed to facilitate communication. A shard with powers similar enough to Ruin's might be able to sneak messages to someone wearing such an item, despite not actually being the god Wax believed in. Naturally, Ruin would always find it easier to communicate with someone who is spiked, but I don't particularly see why a Shard whose power isn't healing by nature wouldn't be able to pull off a similar trick with more difficulty, if it were very important to them. Remember also, Preservation couldn't speak to Scadrians in the same way at all. The nature of his power wouldn't allow that, as Ruin "spoke" by sneaking words or ideas through the cracks in a person's spiritweb, preferably through those created by a spike as his power allowed him to widen those the most dramatically. Preservation's power, while trying to sneak in, would inadvertently be spent healing that person. This is likely similar to how some shards are better than others at seeing the future. I imagine Brandon may actually have a map laid out of the sort of gifts each Shard has access to most strongly, which they can't work at all, and why, for instance he's stated before that Odium isn't changing words to his advantage the way Ruin did, and is using different tricks. edit: What you're probably thinking of is what Preservation's vessel does in Secret History, which required someone with a close personal connection and strong belief in the vessel. There's no indication that Harmony is actually using this method of talking to Wax, although arguably it might be helpful that Wax is a believer in him if his disadvantages as being part-Preservation are somewhat offsetting his advantages as being part-Ruin in this regard to actually use both methods at once. Edited January 1, 2017 by Ari 1
cometaryorbit Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 On 12/26/2016 at 0:08 PM, Yata said: I am not really sure, I think a Shard may create a Godmetal almost everywhere in the Cosmere. Of course on Scadrial (or to be more precise, With Scadrial Magic) you may find a magical use to this godmetals, other magics will find this metal not different by the mundane ones. Yeah, it seems that Shardblades are basically godmetal. I'm thinking Autonomy might have created a Splinter or Splinters to become godmetal on Scadrial. I don't think he/she could Invest the planet directly... Preservation's remnant couldn't leave Scadrial, so could Autonomy leave Taldain?
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