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[Oversleep]

7 minutes ago, StormingTexan said:

I dunno there's lots of compelling arguments for the multiple timelines main one I can't easily dismiss is the logo change. 

But then we have seen the same people of staff interact with Man in Black plotline and William plotline. Unless they're all hosts this is not true.

Girl programmer (which got attacked two episodes ago) and head of the enforcement link a lot of things and people together.

I consider a rewatch before the season ends, so I can note everything then.

Edited November 18, 2016 by Oversleep

[StormingTexan he/him]

Man I need to re-watch too because I cannot remember Elsie interacting with William/Logan. They would have to directly interact with them to disprove the theory not just people (guest)around them. 

Of course I kind of just took the show at face value initially. 

I will say if the multiple timeline theory is true it's brilliant because the robots do not age and you don't completely know which people are real! 

Edited November 18, 2016 by StormingTexan

[Oversleep]

21 minutes ago, StormingTexan said:

Man I need to re-watch too because I cannot remember Elsie interacting with William/Logan.

She didn't interact directly, but there are chains linking them. Elsie did interact with a lot of hosts post-Reveries; hosts that later showed up in William/Logan storyline. She also went on a trip with the enforcement guy who watched a feed of MiB shooting Lawrence's cousins. I'm sure I could dig up more things but I'm tired and sleepy and in fact studying right now

Anyway, I miss Elsie, I liked her

Edited November 18, 2016 by Oversleep

[StormingTexan he/him]

10 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

She didn't interact directly, but there are chains linking them. Elsie did interact with a lot of hosts post-Reveries; hosts that later showed up in William/Logan storyline. She also went on a trip with the enforcement guy who watched a feed of MiB shooting Lawrence's cousins. I'm sure I could dig up more things but I'm tired and sleepy and in fact studying right now

Anyway, I miss Elsie, I liked her

Yeah but I don't think you can disprove the multiple timeline theory with seeing the same host in both plot lines. We've clearly seen Delores in the "robot parts" stage. So it should be assumed at least some of the host have had the same appearance (although different technological  models) throughout the 35 years the park been around.

[Oversleep]

Yeah, but storylines change. For example, Maeve has not been running a brothel longer than two years.

...

Wait, did we not see MiB enter the saloon with Maeve in it?

[StormingTexan he/him]

9 hours ago, Oversleep said:

 

Yeah, but storylines change. For example, Maeve has not been running a brothel longer than two years.

 

 

Yeah I get that but I do not see how this disproves the multiple timeline. 

 

9 hours ago, Oversleep said:

Wait, did we not see MiB enter the saloon with Maeve in it?

Yes we do which makes sense if Maeve has been only running the brothel for a couple years she would be there with MiB in the "present". What we did not see was Maeve interacting at the brothel with William/Logan. Pure speculation but I think she would have been in the storyline where she has the kids at this time.  

[Oversleep]

42 minutes ago, StormingTexan said:

Yeah I get that but I do not see how this disproves the multiple timeline

Because while we can see the same hosts over the years without physical change it's impossible to see them in the same roles.

How about when Logan&William and Dolores came to the town which still had marks of the shooting MiB did? Dolores saw the same Maze girl then. I clearly remember wall being painted/fixed which MiB shot the last Lawrence's cousin through.

[StormingTexan he/him]

37 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

Because while we can see the same hosts over the years without physical change it's impossible to see them in the same roles.

I don't know how you can say it is impossible that a host has not served the same role in different periods of times over 30 years. Sure they may switch roles but how can we know they only play a roll once.  Like when they have to take Maeve to the lab and the guy says let Clementine run the brothel she's done it before. 

 

44 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

How about when Logan&William and Dolores came to the town which still had marks of the shooting MiB did? Dolores saw the same Maze girl then. I clearly remember wall being painted/fixed which MiB shot the last Lawrence's cousin through.

I'd have to go back and re-watch this I remember the MiB shooting up the place but that's it. 

 

I'm not saying I am 100% sold on this multiple timeline deal maybe closer to 70% but I wouldn't just say it is wrong with the amount of clues like the logo, knife, shirt, fact we only know him as MiB and not his name and that we have not see two KNOWN humans interact from these two speculated timelines. A lot of this (except the logo deal) can me dismissed as pure coincidence. Heck next episode we could see William and MiB playing poker together in the brothel and disprove this entire thing. Just saying I think it is a possibility almost a probability. 

[Briar King]

My mind is blown how I didn't pick up on the piano music of Fake Plastic Trees & Blackhole Sun till it was brought up by someone on Malazan. I'm kicking myself I was so oblivious to it considering I grew up in 90's and this was my jam.

heres MTV of Radiohead I ll Ed with Piano song.

 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2016 by Briar King

[StormingTexan he/him]

I caught Blackhole Sun but not Fake Plastic Trees. Also Paint it Black and Back in Black. Have to pay attention to everything in this show to catch all the treats.

[Briar King]

That's why I'm kicking myself as I caught Paint it Black on wk1 and Rising Sun this week and yet some of my teen jam just went right by me... wow 

[Oversleep]

Anybody got House of the Rising Sun from episode 8? All I get on youtube are covers parasiting on Westworld.

Do they publish their OST somewhere maybe? I think I recognized another melody today and I want to go through everything to check.

[StormingTexan he/him]

17 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

Anybody got House of the Rising Sun from episode 8? All I get on youtube are covers parasiting on Westworld.

Do they publish their OST somewhere maybe? I think I recognized another melody today and I want to go through everything to check.

Yes! There is this but they look to be missing episode 8 i couldn't find House of the Rising Sun either.

http://www.what-song.com/Tvshow/196/Westworld

[Oversleep]

I half-remember Control saying there's one host out of its loop but it's with guests (this was Dolores). I'm not sure though.

If it turns out that MiB=William I'm rewatching the season since there are gonna be massive plotholes and stretching believability. And I'll make a list of them.

Edited November 27, 2016 by Ookla the Sunrise Watcher

[Oversleep]

Spoilers for Ep9.

Spoiler

Sooo... a lot happened today.

It pretty much turns out MiB=William. I don't like it since timelines just got reeeaaaally messed up. A rewatch is in order to understand what the hell is going on.
At first I could dismiss Dolores being mechanical as she was said to be the oldest of the hosts and I don't really see a way to upgrade mechanical to biological... but then Will got Ruin in his head and dissected everyone in the camp. And they were all mechanical. Whooops. And MiB did comment to Teddy that at the beginning he dissected the hosts and found those little mechanism and how it was beautiful and now they're biological and they aren't.

Bernard = Arnold's host incarnation also proved true but I have zero problems with that. That makes some things we have seen hard to place time-wise, though.

But then at the end we see Dolores in two timelines - memory one in blue dress and the one from William's timeline in white shirt and all and then her more current incarnation meets Man in Black?
And now I'm going what the hell, what am I supposed to think now? Who is who? What is when?

What else... Elsie is dead Enforcement guy is dead... but who set this up? He was lured by Elsie's radiotag....
Wait a minute. Elsie was killed by Bernard controlled by Ford but why? She found out that Theresa was a traitor, why kill her in the first place?
Why kill enforcement guy? Why was he dangerous? I liked him too :<

Stop killing my favourite characters!
Also, what happens to Bernard now? I can't see any reasonable way for Ford to repair him quietly. I don't see why Ford made him kill himself. He was after all extremely important and useful in creating the park.

 

[StormingTexan he/him]

Wow what an episode! Lots of theories confirmed. 

[Briar King]

Ep 9...

that was the buried pic from ep 1 I'm certain. Williams fiancé

[StormingTexan he/him]

^ That would be correct. 

[Briar King]

Re the security guy without a direct spoiler. It's related to a convo from ep 8 which is then obv from a Ford line in ep 7. I can tag if ya don't know what I mean

[Briar King]

Well that was interesting. Easily the top show of the yr.

[StormingTexan he/him]

Agree 100%. 

Spoiler

And next season freak'n samurai!! 

 

[Kaymyth she/her]

On 11/28/2016 at 10:52 AM, Ookla the Sunrise Watcher said:

Spoilers for Ep9.

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Sooo... a lot happened today.

It pretty much turns out MiB=William. I don't like it since timelines just got reeeaaaally messed up. A rewatch is in order to understand what the hell is going on.
At first I could dismiss Dolores being mechanical as she was said to be the oldest of the hosts and I don't really see a way to upgrade mechanical to biological... but then Will got Ruin in his head and dissected everyone in the camp. And they were all mechanical. Whooops. And MiB did comment to Teddy that at the beginning he dissected the hosts and found those little mechanism and how it was beautiful and now they're biological and they aren't.

Bernard = Arnold's host incarnation also proved true but I have zero problems with that. That makes some things we have seen hard to place time-wise, though.

But then at the end we see Dolores in two timelines - memory one in blue dress and the one from William's timeline in white shirt and all and then her more current incarnation meets Man in Black?
And now I'm going what the hell, what am I supposed to think now? Who is who? What is when?

What else... Elsie is dead Enforcement guy is dead... but who set this up? He was lured by Elsie's radiotag....
Wait a minute. Elsie was killed by Bernard controlled by Ford but why? She found out that Theresa was a traitor, why kill her in the first place?
Why kill enforcement guy? Why was he dangerous? I liked him too :<

Stop killing my favourite characters!
Also, what happens to Bernard now? I can't see any reasonable way for Ford to repair him quietly. I don't see why Ford made him kill himself. He was after all extremely important and useful in creating the park.

 

Season finale thoughts:

I think the last episode answered a good portion of this.  (While I have no solid proof, I strongly suspect that the original mechanical hosts were "upgraded" into organic ones. It wouldn't require any changes to their source code, just a change of what body they're running around in.)

The difficulty in placing things timewise was, as it turns out, on purpose.  We're meant to think that Bernard has been talking to Dolores, when in fact, it was flashbacks to Arnold.

And, in fact, most of what we saw in interactions between Dolores and William were, in fact, present-day Dolores flashing back in her memories and retracing her steps. Which just makes the timeline madness all the more interesting to untangle. (But hey, it's less complex than the timeline of River Song, so it's got that going for it.)

I think Elsie was getting too close to things that Ford didn't want known; she was digging around in the code records when Bernard took her out. Enforcement Guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's possible Elsie's radio tag blipped up by mistake. Or it's possible that Ford considered him to be a specific threat.

Everything was an elaborate setup on Ford's part. He's been trying to continue Arnold's work for decades, and hid his intentions so well even the audience couldn't figure out what he was up to.

All in all, I agree with the need to do a full rewatch at some point.  I want to see how everything fits together; the story took a lot of planning and attention to detail to pull off.

[Yados]

The look of joy and wonderment on the Man in Black's face at the end was perfect. 

This was such an amazing beast of a high concept show and I can't wait for the new thing it's primed to become next. 

[Kaymyth she/her]

9 minutes ago, Yados said:

The look of joy and wonderment on the Man in Black's face at the end was perfect. 

This was such an amazing beast of a high concept show and I can't wait for the new thing it's primed to become next. 

Heh.

"I got SHOT! I got shot with a REAL BULLET!  This is the best thing ever!!"

[StormingTexan he/him]

Spoiler

That's the look of reading the final page of the story. Of course it's not as final as the good doctor. 

Really curious how everyday joes will interact with the host in the new concept. You don't really have to have a lot of skill to be apart of the Wild West especially if you can't really get killed. The new concept though.. Having a hard time picturing how that will all work but it is one historical period I'd love to get to reenact.