soyperson Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 So, after some rereads, and some internet scouring, I have decided to set up a thread of possible Radiant theories. I shall head this topic with my personal favorite: Rlain. We all grew to love Rlain as Shen, the endearingly dull parshman Bridgeman. But when he became non-dullform, revealed himself and his name, and then asked for forgiveness from his teammates, I had a realization: Rlain might be the Listener Radiant we've all been waiting for. And I think he is a Releaser. The Releasers were typically misunderstood and "misjudged based on the nature of their powers and the similarity in their name to the Voidbringers" (source: the Coppermind). Rlain, as a listener, is very misjudged by most of society as being evil, and cruel, when, in fact, he means well for all (that was a lot of commas in one sentence; I apologize) Anyway... Thoughts? Angles? Impressions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brgst13 Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I kinda wish this was the case. I still think, though, that Eshonai is the Listener Radiant. It just fits her arc much better. I see her as a Willshaper. Eshonai has been a searcher, explorer, and mapmaker. The Willshapers were described as " And now, if there was an uncut gem among the Radiants, it was the Willshapers; for though enterprising, they were erratic, and Invia wrote of them, “capricious, frustrating, unreliable,” as taking it for granted that others would agree; this may have been an intolerant view, as often Invia expressed, for this order was said to be most varied, inconsistent in temperament save for a general love of adventure, novelty, or oddity." (WoR, chapter 50 epigraph) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Can a Listener even become a Radiant? Don't they have a different bond with the spren, and were jealous of the humans because of the powers the spren gave the Radiant? (If I'm wrong and Listeners becoming Radiants was confirmed somewhere, I'm sorry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 24 minutes ago, Nashan'Elin said: Can a Listener even become a Radiant? Don't they have a different bond with the spren, and were jealous of the humans because of the powers the spren gave the Radiant? (If I'm wrong and Listeners becoming Radiants was confirmed somewhere, I'm sorry) WoB is only that it hasn't happened before and that commonly-held belief is that it isn't possible. Anything more direct on whether it is possible has been RAFOed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyperson Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Basically, he told us that it hasn't happened, people don't think it could happen. But he never said that it couldn't happen. This series contains a lot of Chekov's Guns; I'm just waiting for Rlain's to fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manukos he/him Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) look i love Rlain as much as the next guy, he is definately one of the most interesting characters in the SA more so than Eshonai but eshonai said that the spren turned their backs on the listeners and refused to bond with them i am more interested in the theory that has Rlain bonding a void spren maybe even one that betrayed odium like Moelch ( even if it is only speculation, you can see the theory here ) Edited October 25, 2016 by harambe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 1 minute ago, harambe said: but eshonai said that the spren turned their backs on the listeners and refused to bond with them The epigraphs (or at least one in particular) suggest that it's more about the fact that spren gain more from being bonded to humans than they do from being bonded to Listeners. In what way, we don't know. Eshonai's perspective might be very biased, since she feels betrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasarr she/her Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 12 hours ago, Brgst13 said: I kinda wish this was the case. I still think, though, that Eshonai is the Listener Radiant. I mean, why can't we have Eshonai the Willshaper and Rlain the Dustbringer? If the story wants to prove to us that Radiant Listeners are possible, then it might just go all the way with it and make several of them Radiants. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 10 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said: WoB is only that it hasn't happened before and that commonly-held belief is that it isn't possible. Anything more direct on whether it is possible has been RAFOed. Relevant WoB: Quote Interview: Mar 20th, 2014 WOR Signing Report - IronCaf (Paraphrased) Outis Is Eshonai going to be a Radiant? Brandon Sanderson In the past, parshmen/Parshendi were not allowed to become Knights Radiant. However, what I said might imply that that could change. But no promises. Tags eshonai, parshendi, knights radiant, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feddy Jones he/him Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Well, another prime Radiant candidate is Adolin. WoB: Q: Are there Radiant orders that would take someone like Adolin even after what he does at the end of WoR?A: I am not going to say whether or not Adolin will become a KR, but yes, there are several orders that would be very happy with what he did.Q: Like the Skybreakers or Dustbringers?A: The Skybreakers would probably not want him because he broke a law, but there are other orders that would think he completely did the right thing and be very happy with him.Q: Like the Dustbringers?A: (Didn't say anything but looked up at him, smiled and half nodded) That being said, it's also been stated that Adolin's Shardblade was the spren of an Edgedancer and that it was possible for Adolin to revive the spren should he take the Oaths of the Edgedancers and do something else he may be able to revive the spren (http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/22247-firefight-tour-slc-1515/?page=2#comment-224039). Following this theory, the fact that Adolin talks to his Shardblade as if it was alive and imagines that it was talking back (http://coppermind.net/wiki/Adolin's_Shardblade#cite_note-Words_of_Radiance-14-chapter-2) may be foreshadowing that something along this will happen. (It would also make for a suitably awesome scene along the lines of Kaladin saying the Third Ideal) (First post, hope I didn't do too bad) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyperson Posted November 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Feddy Jones said: Well, another prime Radiant candidate is Adolin. WoB: Q: Are there Radiant orders that would take someone like Adolin even after what he does at the end of WoR?A: I am not going to say whether or not Adolin will become a KR, but yes, there are several orders that would be very happy with what he did.Q: Like the Skybreakers or Dustbringers?A: The Skybreakers would probably not want him because he broke a law, but there are other orders that would think he completely did the right thing and be very happy with him.Q: Like the Dustbringers?A: (Didn't say anything but looked up at him, smiled and half nodded) That being said, it's also been stated that Adolin's Shardblade was the spren of an Edgedancer and that it was possible for Adolin to revive the spren should he take the Oaths of the Edgedancers and do something else he may be able to revive the spren (http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/22247-firefight-tour-slc-1515/?page=2#comment-224039). Following this theory, the fact that Adolin talks to his Shardblade as if it was alive and imagines that it was talking back (http://coppermind.net/wiki/Adolin's_Shardblade#cite_note-Words_of_Radiance-14-chapter-2) may be foreshadowing that something along this will happen. (It would also make for a suitably awesome scene along the lines of Kaladin saying the Third Ideal) (First post, hope I didn't do too bad) Nah, man, you make an excellent point! Adolin could very well be a Radiant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletSabre he/him Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 I'm curious if anyone opposing Dalinar will become a Radiant. We've had implications that Elokhar will become a Radiant from mentioning seeing the symbolheads of Cryptics in his mirror, and over his shoulder, and if he decides that as a Radiant king he doesn't want to acquiesce to Dalinar as much anymore, it would make for some interesting conflicts, moreso than just between Dalinar and the Highprinces. That being said, so would a Radiant in Sadeas' warcamp. Sadeas himself isn't around to be a candidate anymore, but what about his wife, or one of his minions who'll get a bigger role in coming books? I personally think that a Radiant on Sadeas' side would make for some spectacular conflicts, especially since we don't know what some of the other orders/Spren would look for. There's every chance that someone in Sadeas' camp could start glowing, and then BAM, suddenly opposition to big D's unilateral control of Urithiru and the other Radiants, who are members of his family and personal guard, doesn't look so ironclad... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stBondsmith he/him Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) I am afraid this is too realistic NOT to happen. I have been waiting to see what internal politics mess things up. Edited November 2, 2016 by 1stBondsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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