Long Game 2: The Devil's Den

[Peng the Just he/him]

keeping the identity of the seeker secret is a problem.my suggestion would be that the seeker(s) seek me, and only post to this thread if I am NOT who I claim to be. If I am lying, he/she/they will announce it, and I will be lynched the next day, villagers win. If I am not lying, the lack of claims against me will prove my identity and maintain the secrecy of the seeker's identity(ies). This is the best and quickest way I can come up with, but I am open to other ideas. The seeker could tell someone the next night and that person could report the results to thread. Also, I would really, really, really appreciate lurcher protection

Edited January 27, 2014 by jasonpenguin

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

keeping the identity of the seeker secret is a problem.my suggestion would be that the seeker(s) seek me, and only post to this thread if I am NOT who I claim to be. If I am lying, he/she/they will announce it, and I will be lynched the next day, villagers win. If I am not lying, the lack of claims against me will prove my identity and maintain the secrecy of the seeker's identity(ies). This is the best and quickest way I can come up with, but I am open to other ideas. The seeker could tell someone the next night and that person could report the results to thread. Also, I would really, really, really appreciate lurcher protection

This. And obviously, if someone claims to be a Seeker and gets you lynched, and we find out you're innocent, then the next day we MUST kill the one who got you lynched. If we don't stick to that, then this whole idea won't work.

[Peng the Just he/him]

@ridge sounds like a plan

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I agree with Ridge/Peng's plan. Also, is there anyone currently voting for anyone?

[Leonardus he/him]

I will follow along with that particular plan as well although this depending on the seekers cooperation and you not getting killed by the inquisitor 

[Aspren]

No one is voting for anyone so far. Any votes there were against anyone have been retracted.

 

I too vote to kill no-one

[Kurkistan he/him]

So far as trusting Peng and PM'ing the roles go, I think I get the reasoning heree: If we do not kill anyone tonight, there can only possibly be 1 EVIL player among us in the morning tomorrow. If anyone vouches (or fails to call out (assuming the Seeker isn't randomly killed)) Peng, then we know that both of them are honest: otherwise, both would have to be Spiked, which we know to be impossible at that point.

 

At that point, we know for a fact that Peng is the mistborn. We also know for a fact that he cannot be Spiked at any point for the rest of the game. At that point, the best course of action is essentially to give Peng an otherwise undue amount of power/knowledge. He'll be incorruptible in the truest sense of the word.

 

If everyone PM's him their roles, then, he'll be able to know that something's fishy if 4 Rioters show up. Or he can ask the Coinshot to tell him who he plans to kill: so if the "Coinshot" says he'll kill Bob, and if Bob doesn't die, then he's lying about being the Coinshot and is obviously Spiked. Or the Lurcher (Lurchers?) can tell him who he/they are protecting: If a "Lurched" person lies, then that Lurcher was lying. Similarly with a lot of the other roles. This is especially powerful in conjunction with the Seeker, obviously.

[Peng the Just he/him]

by my count we have 20 no votes and no current valid kill votes (robot Aztec expressed suspicion of windy, but didn't put it in red, so it's not a vote. yet.)

 

Edit: spelling

Edited January 27, 2014 by jasonpenguin

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Alright,it seems like we have a bunch of people voting for this plan. If anyone doesn't follow it, we'll have good reason to kill them.

[princess she/her]

I like this plan, but I have a question: what happens if someone says they're a villager, and then turns out to be an unsnapped?  Would they instantly get killed because they're suddenly appearing as something else?

[bartbug he/him]

Woo! Yay for Ping!

I wouldn't be too excited yet, Bary. He's probably tricking you.

What do you know, Beetle.

I know that deceptions are ridiculously easy. If he has one person trusting him, then he can get that person to vouch for him, and then we're screwed. Or, let's say that he's the inquisitor. If he has a smoking ability, then he can claim that the inquisitor must be able to smoke, and is trying to decieve. I know it wasn't hard when I was a Spiked.

Barty looks up in surprise. "What?"

Beetle does not reply.

[Peng the Just he/him]

@barty may I suggest using different fonts and/or colors for your different personalities? it's amusing, but they kinda run together. just a suggestion.

Edited January 27, 2014 by jasonpenguin

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

How could that ugly sod be a full fledged Mistborn? Gamon asked himself. He was way better looking than that Peng fellow. But alas, looks didn't appear to be everything.

I just worry about everybody openly discussing their plans like this. If there IS an Inquisitor among us (which there clearly is) then they'll be privy to the same plans, and will be able to sabotage or mess it up, somehow.

As Barty Spiked so pointed out, all it takes is the Inquisitor having smoking capabilities to screw this entire thing up. If Peng is actually a Mistborn, then the Spiked cloud him, screw the Seeking readings up, and we end up killing our Mistborn our or Seeker in retaliation.

Or

Peng is the Inquisitor, Smokes himself, gains trust of everybody and everybody tells him their roles, and he just starts picking us off, having a field day.
I for one don't think Peng is the Inquisitor (as of yet) but I do fear the Inquisitor interfering with this somehow.

 

Edit: What do we do if somebody else comes forward as a Mistborn? (Doubt the same trick will work twice)

Edit 2: Of course Gamon called you an ugly sod. To Gamon, everybody is an ugly sod. (It's tough to come up with look oriented insults, I've never been that vain in my life, haha)
 

Edited January 27, 2014 by Gamma Fiend

[bartbug he/him]

That's a little bit of the idea. There's not a huge 'divide' between the various persona's, because they're basically one. If it's really that much of a problem...

[Peng the Just he/him]

@gamon

did you just call me an ugly sod?

and I agree with you. Its hard not knowing what the inquisitor can do.

 

@barty its not really that big of a problem.

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

If they Snap, they should just announce it to Peng. If they don't, then yes they'll get killed.

As I see it, here are the the main flaws of my/peng's plan (As for Kukri's, it sounds good, but I haven't thought about it very in-depth yet.)

1) If one of the Inquisitor's abilities is to fool Seeking, we're dead.

I see this as unlikely, however, and if jt is true, then we're pretty much dead regardless of whether we follow the plan or not. Moving on.

2) If the Seeker gets killed randomly tonight, we're now unsure of Peng.

This is still unlikely, and we can most likely trust Peng anyway if this happens, because there is almost no way he could bank on that happening with any degree of certainty.

3)If Peng gets Copperclouded, what happens?

I really have no idea on this one. Suggestions?

Edited January 27, 2014 by PorridgeBrick

[Kurkistan he/him]

As Barty Spiked so pointed out, all it takes is the Inquisitor having smoking capabilities to screw this entire thing up. If Peng is actually a Mistborn, then the Spiked cloud him, screw the Seeking readings up, and we end up killing our Mistborn our or Seeker in retaliation.

Or

Peng is the Inquisitor, Smokes himself, gains trust of everybody and everybody tells him their roles, and he just starts picking us off, having a field day.

I for one don't think Peng is the Inquisitor (as of yet) but I do fear the Inquisitor interfering with this somehow.

 

 

If Peng is Smoked in the night, then we'll just table the motion until he gets a more "provable" power, like Coinshot or Seeker. Not a huge loss there, I don't think. The biggest issue is potentially wasting our Lurcher for a few nights (though we probably have more than one of those, now that I think of it...), but with a crowd of 30 he doesn't have very good odds of saving someone at random anyways.

 

@Barty

 

Good point.

 

Ahem. *Does not look at Mailliw* (or in the mirror)

 

No one vouch for Peng unless you actually know that he's what he says he is.

Edited January 27, 2014 by Kurkistan

[Peng the Just he/him]

If I'm copperclouded, we're dead. If I draw copper, I will make sure to have the cloud off, and I hope none of our smokers would target me, but I don't know if the inquisitor has copperclouding abilities. edit: also, I will tell you guys what I draw and what I plan to do with it.

Edited January 27, 2014 by jasonpenguin

[Claincy he/him]

The biggest problem with this plan is if the inquisitor does have a power that messes with seeking (which I think is not unlikely) and uses it to make the results of the seeking worthless as people have mentioned. Such as by smoking Peng, then we lose a round for our seeker/s. Which means an extra death before they start building up a network of trustworthy people.

 

However, I think it is still worth trying.

 

Btw Peng. If you are the inquisitor and are able to/plan on smoking yourself then this is a very gutsy move. Somewhat insane, but very gutsy : )

Edited January 27, 2014 by lord Claincy Ffnord

[Awesomeness Summoned he/him]

Mailliw, please don't make any more posts. I like your current post number. Very ominous

 

 

[Swimmingly he/him]

Tineye, please do me a favour and post this tomorrow: Doors unopened are secrets.

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

Tineye, please do me a favour and post this tomorrow: Doors unopened are secrets.

Aren't the Tineye messages more interesting or amusing though if you don't know they're coming? Otherwise, what's the point?

[Swimmingly he/him]

I'm using this as a confirmation mechanism - I asked our supposed Tin-set Mistborn to post one thing privately, and I'm asking our anonymous other one(s) to post a different one publicly. If the messages are all in order, Peng is a mistborn. Or an inquisitor/tineye pretending to be Mistborn

Edited January 27, 2014 by Swimmingly

[Claincy he/him]

I'm using this as a confirmation mechanism - I asked our supposed Tin-set Mistborn to post one thing privately, and I'm asking our anonymous other one(s) to post a different one publicly. If the messages are all in order, Peng is a mistborn.

A good plan, except that Peng already said that his powers are changed at the start of the night, so he won't actually get to post a message tonight except in the unlikely case where he gets tin again.

 

A pity, as it could have been a good way of confirming.

[Swimmingly he/him]

Oh . I assumed that mistborn powers persisted for a full cycle.