Cosmere versus tourney!

[asterion137 he/him]

16 seeded bracket obviously

Format is Character (equipment)

1.  Vin (3 metal vials with the 10 basic metals and duralumin)

16. Shai (All soulstamps)

 

8. Eshonai (Shardplate & Shardblade in stormform)

9. Siris (Holy band, standard armor and shield, and infinity blade)

Spoiler

Note: Siris only has to be killed once

4. Adolin (Shardplate and Shardblade)

13. Dilaf (sword)

 

5. Raoden (Elantrian powers as they would be in Teod)

12. Alcatraz (Firebringer and Windstormer lenses)

 

2. Kaladin (Stormlight belt replenished for each round, Syl)

15. Hrathen (Sword and gyorn armor)

 

7. David 

Spoiler

Epic powers but no prime invincibility (no other weapons)

10. Wayne (dueling canes and filled metalminds and 3 vials bendalloy)

 

3. Susebron (Peacegiver's treasure, cloth strips)

14. Denth (sword)

 

16. Wax (Vindication, ammo pouch, shotgun,3/4 full weight metalminds, 3 vials steel)

11. Vasher (NORMAL sword, awakened gear, ropes, 500 Breaths)

 

No flying, falling or jumping over 30 feet above the ground. All battles take place in the dueling arena near the Shattered Plains. 

Who will win it all?

Bonus:post the results for EVERY round

Super bonus: All these characters attack the Lord Ruler and his inquisitors in Kredik Shaw. No mistmetal for Vin but they know TLR's weakness

Edit: For debating purposes, shardblades will not cut through the other combatants' swords. Siris's shield is a half-shard.

Edited August 5, 2016 by asterion137
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[Toaster Retribution he/him]

Havent read Alcatraz, Elantris or Infinity Blade, so I cannot speak for or agsinst the characters from those series. However, I love these kinds of threads, and I hope its OK that I give my opinons about the characters that I have knowledge of:

-Vin vs Shai: Dont even know which book Shai is in. Do Vin have coins and daggers?

-Eshonai vs Siris: Have not read Infinity Blade.

-Adolin vs Dilaf: Although I dont know Dilaf, I have a hard time imagining someone with only a sword beating Adolin.

-Raoden vs Alcatraz: No idea

-Kaladin vs Hrathen: Unless tha armor can block a shardblade, Kaladin wins.

-David vs Wayne: David. I would explain if I knew how to insert a spoiler tag.

-Susebron vs Denth. I dont think Denth can win this. Susebron is too powerful.

-Vasher vs Wax: Wax has guns, he is accurate, he can make the bullets fly faster than usual and he is rather agile thanks to his Pushes and weight. I think that is more than Vasher can handle, especially considering the fact that Wax can push away his sword.

[cloudjumper he/him]

So how does this work? Do we just vote on each round?

[Cartographer7]

This looks like fun, but David, Alcatraz, and Siris aren't Cosmere characters.

[asterion137 he/him]

oops i meant brandon versus tourney. I did put it in general brandon instead of cosmere theories for that reason however

[asterion137 he/him]

57 minutes ago, cloudjumper said:

So how does this work? Do we just vote on each round?

sure

[Cartographer7]

6 hours ago, Chull #445 said:

-Vin vs Shai: Dont even know which book Shai is in. Do Vin have coins and daggers?

 

Shai is from Emperor's Soul. I highly recommend it. It's a shorter, more intimate tale, where Brandon's usual intense action scenes are replaced with a slow but real tension. The magic is really cool, as one might expect, plus there's a Hoid "sighting".  It takes place in the same world as Elantris but the stories don't interconnect. 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

3 hours ago, Cartographer7 said:

Shai is from Emperor's Soul. I highly recommend it. It's a shorter, more intimate tale, where Brandon's usual intense action scenes are replaced with a slow but real tension. The magic is really cool, as one might expect, plus there's a Hoid "sighting".  It takes place in the same world as Elantris but the stories don't interconnect. 

Okay, I get it. I plan to buy the antology when it comes, and I guess Emperors Soul will be there. Going to read it then. Planning to do the same with the other Cosmere shorts.

[Rasarr she/her]

Cool idea. I find the Super Bonus (all vs. TLR) to be the most interesting, quite frankly. Do we assume he considers them a credible threat? He kinda dropped the ball with Vin in TFE.

Anyway (disclaimer - I'll likely get a ton of stuff wrong), quite frankly, the "normal"-level characters don't stand much chance against Rashek. Shai's soulstamps do not bestow her with supernatural abilities; Dilaf and Hrathen have metal weapons, and Dilaf's special spoiler ability wouldn't have the requisite fuel (I hope you know what I'm saying). Ditto Denth, if he has no Breaths. Haven't read Infinity Blade, but if Siris has metal armour, TLR can pull and push parts of it to pretty much crash the man inside it. Cross him out too. Haven't read Alcatraz so I'll discount him for the purpose of this excercise. The "regulards" could've survived the Inquisitors, though - frankly, with this squad, I don't think Inquisitors would pose much problem. That leaves TLR himself and quite honestly, all the aforementioned folk wouldn't make it pass first few moments.

That leaves us with Vin, Eshonai, Adolin, Raoden, David, Kaladin, Wax, Wayne, Susebron and Vasher. While Wax is a steel savant, he's hardly on TLR's level, so he'd have to be dodging for most of the battle - bet TLR is powerful enough to push on metalminds, keeping Wax pinned to the wall. Only other character's intervention could save him from getting killed (impaled by something?). Vin, having more versatile powers, would have higher chances of surviving TLR at his full power, but she has the same weakness - metal on her. Vasher's sword would get abandoned quite quickly for the same reason.

Then there's emotional Allomancy. By your starting conditions, Vin doesn't have aluminum, as it's not one of ten basic metals (as far as I remember?). If powerful enough Investiture forbids influence of other investiture (do I recall that correctly?), then all "underInvested" characters - Wax, Wayne, Vin (TLR could probably easily beat her coppercloud), Kaladin, Raoden - can be crippled by TLR "hyper-rioting" their fear or somesuch. Not Eshonai and Adolin, though - they have Shardplate, which is supposed to repel Investiture. Thus, the abovementioned five lay crippled on the floor, leaving us with Eshonai, Adolin, Susebron, Vasher and, considering his final power level, David. This party's dwindling.

Knowing TLR's weakness, Susebron and Vasher could send their ropes and clothes with command to go and snatch Rashek's atiumminds from him. The question here is, would coppercloud influence behaviour of Breaths? Would it disrupt them, nullify them? If so, this attack is not very effective - and I'm going for worst-case scenario, so not only is coppercloud rendering Awakened objects lifeless, it also disperses David's energy beams (trying to translate Epic powers into Cosmere mechanics here). If David's prime invincibility is not used, then this makes him painfully vulnerable to TLR's power, and his steel transference will likely slide off Rashek's super-Invested soul. Here's hoping his reflexes are good enough to duck all this metal laying around that TLR is sure to use now that most of its owners are dead. 

However, what both David with his laser beams and Susebron and Vasher with their fabrics achieve is distracting TLR. Why is this important - well, both Eshonai and Adolin, being within Shardplate, will be invisible to any form of detection other than ordinary five senses of Rashek's - and those will be occupied by light-and-fabric show the heavy-hitters are putting on - even if he taps mental speed, he's still blinded. This gives the two Shardbearers the opportunity to come close - likely from behind. One of them can try to cut Rashek with a Shardblade, only to find out that nope, he's too over-Invested and the blade just slides off him. In this case, before he has the chance to tap speed, Eshonai could blast him with lightning, and while it wouldn't kill him, it would send him off-balance just enough for Adolin to jump at him and knock him to the ground. Which means this whole battle has just been brought down to two dudes tumbling on the floor, and while Adolin has some experience with that kind of combat, Rashek can tap strength and speed and use metal all around him to try and shatter Adolin's Shardplate. However, being so close to being killed, he is likely to lose his focus on all around him and drop his coppercloud (his copper should be running out at this point anyway). This lets David blast the two of them, and while his beams, if we treat them as Invesetiture-based power, would slide off Adolin's Shardplate (thought probably wound Adolin greatly, considering how much Rashek must've damaged it at this point), they'd have much bigger impact on un-armoured Rashek. While they wouldn't perma-kill him, considering his stores of Health, they'd but everyone enough time for someone to grab his atiumminds and tear them off him, then letting time take its course.

So... hard-earned victory for the visiting team, I guess.

[cloudjumper he/him]

Eshonai vs Siris - ?

How do health points and damage correspond to an actual fighting thing? Standard armor and shield as in what? How many points does Siris's shield have? Does he have any gems that make him super OP *cough* dark fire *cough* ? 

 

Adolin vs Dilaf - Adolin

I personally think that Shardblades will have difficulty piercing Dakhor bone, especially Dilaf's, because it is resistant to investiture, but I do think that it is excellent as a bashing tool against him because of it's lightness compared to it's strength. Adolin also has shardplate, and the added strength and protection given to him may or may not give him an edge against Dilaf.

Kaladin vs Hrathen - Kaladin

Stomp. Kaladin just lashes Hrathen to a wall five or six times and Hrathen is dead. Hrathen can't even touch him if Kaladin is full of stormlight. Kaladin can do what Szeth can do, but with less stormlight.

Susebron vs Denth

Susebron wins. Susebron creates a bunch of tentacles and puts breath in his clothes to buff him. He just makes all of his tentacles swarm Denth.

Wax vs Vasher - Wax

Wax just shoots Vasher, pushing on the bullet to make it go faster. Vasher doesn't even have a chance to fight back.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2016 by cloudjumper

[CaptainRyan he/him]

ROUND 1:

Vin v Shai: Really, do we even need to talk about this? Bai bai Shai. Vin win.

Eshonai v Siris: Shardplate and Shardblade > Regular Armor. Eshonai win.

Adolin v Dilaf: Dilaf's speed and strength will, most likely, be matched by Adolin's Shardplate. Adolin win.

Raoden v Alcatraz: This is the weirdest fight. I give it to Raoden unless Alcatraz breaks AonDor (unlikely). Raoden win.

Kaladin v Hrathen: Hrathen is one of my favorite characters but he is not match for a Windrunner with a live Shardblade. Kaladin win.

David v Wayne: David hovers in the air until Wayne is out of Bendalloy and healing. David win.

Susebron v Denth: Susebron has the clear advantage in Breaths but Denth is one of the Five Scholars, a Returned, and 100x craftier. Denth win.

Wax v Vasher: While Vasher has the same advantages as Denth above (plus some Breath), Wax can hover in the air and has a gun. Never bring a [sword] to a gun fight. Wax win.

 

ROUND 2:

Vin v Eshonai: A slightly harder fight for Vin but, in the end, Eshonai is no match for the Ascendant Warrior. Vin win.

Adolin v Raoden: Shardplate is surprisingly resistant to Investiture and Shardblade's unsurprisingly kill Elantrians. Adolin win.

Kaladin v David: Kaladin owns the skies and does not take kindly to strangers. Kaladin win.

Denth v Wax: If Wax can beat Vasher, then Wax can beat Denth. Wax win.

 

ROUND 3:

Vin v Adolin: Adolin's only chance was his good looks but Vin's already married. Vin win.

Kaladin v Wax: Kaladin might own the skies but Wax shows his true grit in this fight. Wax win.

 

FINAL ROUND:

Vin v Wax: An incredible clash of the old and new. Vin and Wax had a short, brutal battle that ended with the sound of a gunshot that just was not enough. Vin win.

 

In my opinion, Vin would be the winner of this tournament.

[RacketLauncher]

Vin vs Shai: no explanation needed

Eshonai vs Siris: Siris hits her with his antimatter ring. If he doesn't have that he still wins since the OP said he can block her Blade. He is far more skilled and comparable in speed and strength. 

Adolin vs Dilaf: Stronger, has a shardblade. Even if Dilaf can block it Adolin's plate should trump Dilaf's speed.

Raoden vs Alcatraz: With prior knowledge Alcatraz could break Raoden's connection to the Dor, but with no prior knowledge Raoden has every advantage.

Kaladin vs Hrathen: Hrathen can match his speed and now that he can block the Blade this is a legitimate fight. Kaladin wins because of regen though.

David vs Wayne: Wayne has no way to hit David while he's in the air.

Susebron vs Denth: Susebron would win a fair fight but Denth doesn't play fair and is much, much faster. Denth wins.

Wax vs Vasher: Wax shoots Vasher and Vasher dies.

--------Quarterfinals-------

Vin vs Siris: Vin crushes him like a tin can.

Adolin vs Raoden: Raoden teleports around the battlefield, hitting him with ranged aons until Adolin's breastplate cracks.

Kaladin vs David: David's lasers would one-shot kaladin, but kaladin takes the majority because of speed.

Wax vs Denth: Wax can kill Denth. Denth can't kill wax when he's hovering in the air. RIP Denth.

--------Semifinals-------

Vin vs Raoden: Vin blitzes to win.

Kaladin vs Wax: Wax needs headshots to win, and his opponent is several times faster than he is. Kal will close the distance between them in seconds and once he does wax is a goner.

---------Finals----------

Vin vs Kaladin: Similar to kaladin vs wax but Vin is faster than Wax and not as good a shot. Vin is not nearly accurate enough to hit Kaladin in the head consistently and Kaladin will close the distance to win with his Blade more often than not. 

Winner: Kaladin Stormblessed!

[Eccentric Hero he/him]

3 hours ago, RacketLauncher said:

Winner: Kaladin Stormblessed!

I agree with the whole post, so I won't repeat what RacketLauncher already said.

Also, welcome to the 17thShard, @RacketLauncher. I'm glad I gave you your first upvote.

[BeaverBuster]

Haven't read Infinity Blade or Emperor's soul, so I will assume those characters lose. 

Round 1

Vin vs Shai: Dunno who Shai is so Vin wins

Eshonai vs Siris: Dunno who Siris is so Eshonai wins

Adolin vs Dilaf: Dilaf is a very good fighter but Adolin is probably one of the best plate and blade fighters ever so Adolin wins

Raoden vs Alcatraz: Very tough to call but I think Alcatraz will just blast him with the windstormer lens to throw him off and stop him using Aons effectively, and then use the firebringer lens to take him down, also since Raodens powers are Teod-level, they will be weaker anyway, Alcatraz wins.

Kaladin vs Hrathen: Hrathen doesn't stand a chance against Kaladin with Sylblade, lashings, and stormlight, Kaladin wins

David vs Wayne: David can just fly and Wayne can't hit him, David wins

Susebron vs Denth: Susebron wins by sheer amount of Breaths

Vasher vs Wax: Vasher comes out on top by using awakened fabric to distract Wax, then getting close enough to awaken his clothes and strangle him, Vasher wins

 

Round 2

Vin vs Eshonai: Vin uses coins to stay out of Eshonai's reach and pounds her until her shardplate breaks, if Eshonai gets a lucky lightning strike in their, maybe she wins, but pewter would probably keep Vin going, Vin wins

Adolin vs Alcatraz: Adolin's plate will let him get close and kill Alcatraz before Alcatraz can break his plate and use his lenses effectively, Adolin wins

Kaladin vs David: David is undoubtedly powerful but one hit with the Sylspear and fight over, Kaladins stormlight healing will keep him alive long enough to get close, Kaladin wins

Susebron vs Vasher: Very close fight between similar abilities but I think Vasher's experiance wins the day over Susebrons raw breath number, Vasher wins

 

Semi-Finals

Vin vs Adolin: Essentialy the same as Vin vs Eshonai, Vin wins

Kaladin vs Vasher: Vasher's experiance might give him a bit of a chance but kaladin is more mobile, more deadly, and has healing, Kaladin wins

 

Finals

Vin vs Kaladin: Stormlight healing is better than pewter healing and lashings are more manoeuvrable than coins but emotional allomancy might be able to throw Kaladin off or even disable him, however Syl could probably get him out of his funk and the Sylshield can block coins, so Kaladin wins

Overall Winner of the Tournament: Kaladin Stormblessed, Windrunner, bonded with Sylpherena, the ancient daughter. 

 

Bonus Round:

All of the above vs TLR and Inquisitors

Inquisitors probably go down relatively easily but could kill Siris and Shai ( Because I don't understand them) and could seriously wound Hrathen, because he has relatively low mobility and no healing. Because they know TLR weakness, Vasher, Susebron, and Denth distract him with cloth strips, Adolin and Eshonai use there shards to keep his attention on them, while Kaladin, Vin, and David fly above him, blasting him to stop him from focusing on any one person too much, Dilaf and Wayne alternate getting close to try and get the metalminds off while wax uses steelpushing to try and yank the metalminds off. In the end, Alcatraz just uses the windstormer lenses to push them off, causing TLR to die of old age. Victory to the visiting team.

 

 

[Valigus]

With the characters I know I have a hard time believing anyone on this list with the current stipulations could beat kaladin.

because 

1. You have to one shot him, if you can’t one shot him you lose, and you can only one shot him with a shard blade and maybe not even then.

Spoiler

In Rhythm if war he literally has his spine severed over and over and over again and just walks it off, even a bullet to the end will not do the job probably.

2. Almost all of the skilled characters are sword fighters, and a sword loses to a spear most of the time. Plus he can change the spear to any weapon he needs. 

3. he can stay out of the range of most of these characters and even the ones that can reach him he can stay far away from. Plus gravitation would let him basically draw bullets and projectiles away from himself.

 

4. kaladin is a force of nature on the battlefield, even without stormlight he is taking on entire squads of men, to put that into perspective a master swordsman probably couldn’t win more then a 1v3 if they were all armed with standard one handed side swords. there are maybe 5 characters from my observations that can stack up to him with weapons being Vasher, Denth, adolin, szeth and dalinar. Vin is just as dangerous but that’s due to her skill with her powers not weapons.

5. none of the other people really to my knowledge have powers that pose a threat to him, this is just speculation but likely without duralumin emotional allowance from vin will not work, steel pushes and pulls are a cheap approximation of gravitation, stormlight is pewter on steroids, atium does not matter if you cannot do anything about the attack like say a 9 foot lance or sword cutting across where you are.

though honestly the same things go for vin

1. Her skill with her powers is from the characters I know here matched only by Vasher, debut and kaladin. Two of those people have powers very poorly oriented for combat.

2. her powers are way better then most people on the list.

so I think this battle will always without exception come down to vin and kaladin but kaladin will always win because

1. his powers are better

2. his weapons are better

3. vin isn’t a skilled fighter, she is a skilled mistborn, if you put her and kaladin into a fighting arena with only pewter and no lashings kaladins Will win very single time, I’d even say vin is better with her powers then kaladin but kaladins spear skills are on a whole other level.

[Ghanderflaffle she/her]

1 hour ago, Valigus said:

vin isn’t a skilled fighter, she is a skilled mistborn, if you put her and kaladin into a fighting arena with only pewter and no lashings kaladins Will win very single time, I’d even say vin is better with her powers then kaladin but kaladins spear skills are on a whole other level.

Vin is actually a skilled fighter. In Hero of Ages she beats Ham in a fight without pewter, but he is burning it.

[Valigus]

25 minutes ago, Ghanderflaffle said:

Vin is actually a skilled fighter. In Hero of Ages she beats Ham in a fight without pewter, but he is burning it.

I mean comparable to the people like kaladin. Sure she may be a good fighter but kaladin is a force of nature with the spear, against most she is like amazing but when you are talking fighters like kaladin she is not in the same league when it comes to weapons handling.