Asasasyn in White Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 So, can Allomacer see Allomantic lines to stars with iron? They probably could if they ate a lot of Lerasium and become super-savants of iron. Can they push or pull it using Allomacy? Is it possible? Are there other ways? Share your toughts, please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 I don't think even the Lord Ruler may do this... Really they are too far away. I am pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Allomancers, even powerful Mistborn, seem to be constrained in how distant sources of metal they can sense. It's not an eyesight restriction either, we've seen lines disappear off into the mists. So I doubt anyone can detect the metals in the cores of stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Do we know if Feruchemical tin enhances metal-sight? If so, probably with tin compounding and steelsight/ironsight there would be possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Alfa said: Do we know if Feruchemical tin enhances metal-sight? If so, probably with tin compounding and steelsight/ironsight there would be possibilities. Steellines/Ironlines are Spiritual in nature. I don't think Tin would be capable to enhance it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Yata said: Steellines/Ironlines are Spiritual in nature. I don't think Tin would be capable to enhance it Feruchemical tin not, but I always wondered about fduraluminium. But even if we make a mistborn eat a carriage full of lerasium and then spike him with additional Allomantic steel/Allomantic iron and even (BoM spoilers) throw in spikes for Compounding nicrosil , the sun is way too distant. I doubt he would even have range above ten kilometres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't a star contain little to no iron? Because iron takes energy to create through fusion, it could cause a star to go (super)nova. If a star with such a high amount of iron that it is visible from Scandrial excists, the planet would probably be in a lot of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 1 hour ago, kenod said: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't a star contain little to no iron? Because iron takes energy to create through fusion, it could cause a star to go (super)nova. If a star with such a high amount of iron that it is visible from Scandrial excists, the planet would probably be in a lot of trouble. You are correct, but iron is not the only metal produced during stellar nucleosynthesis. Lithium, magnesium, and copper can (I believe) all be produced in different types of stars, and those should be visible to an Allomancer (sans the distance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenod Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 3 hours ago, Argent said: You are correct, but iron is not the only metal produced during stellar nucleosynthesis. Lithium, magnesium, and copper can (I believe) all be produced in different types of stars, and those should be visible to an Allomancer (sans the distance). Alright, thanks. When in the lifetime of the star do those form? Near the end or always? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, kenod said: Alright, thanks. When in the lifetime of the star do those form? Near the end or always? A star burns as fuel the lightest element it has. At the beginning it burns Hydrogen, then Helium and then go further with the next element when the previous ends. A lesser star will stop at the iron, but bigger/hotter one may keeps its Nuclear Fusion.... Any heavier elements comes from "rare" explosions called Supernovas (rare but with Billions of billions of Star...there were a lot of Supernovas) I can't say how much time it took to began to create metals also because different star burns at different rate...but our sun is 5 billions of years old and it burns still hydrogen. From another 5 billions of years it would reachs its own end stopping his Nuclear Fusion to the iron Edited July 7, 2016 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three1415 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Stars create little to no metals unless they are very massive and very old. Main-sequence stars turn hydrogen into helium; more massive/older ones fuse helium into carbon, and carbon into oxygen (still no metals); only the most massive actually burn neon and create magnesium (but still very, very little compared to the total size of the star), or create iron moments before going supernova--all other metals in the universe are created by those stars in their final instants, as loose neutrons flood the core and transmute iron into heavier elements. Likewise, all of the current generation of stars contain some trace metals (mostly lithium from primordial nucleosynthesis), but still vanishingly small amounts respective to their mass (e.g., 0.1-0.3% is considered a high enough concentration to mark the star as fairly unique). Given stars' low metallicity and the fact that interstellar distances are mind-bogglingly vast, it would be incredibly impractical to push or pull on them; you could sooner deorbit planets, moons, or comets than touch other stars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFencer Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Yeah, stars are really far away. If an allomamcer couldn't see every single thing on their planet, they wouldn't have a chance of seeing stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Which makes me mourn for Inquisitors (well, Marsh, really.) He can see lots of things, but he can't see sunrises or sunsets any more. And museums of fine art must baffle him no end. Which also makes me wonder if there were ever any artistic Inquisitors, which produce art which other Inquisitors can appreciate. I imagine it would be very subtle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, happyman said: Which also makes me wonder if there were ever any artistic Inquisitors, which produce art which other Inquisitors can appreciate. I imagine it would be very subtle. A steel/iron savant pushes his understanding of the blues line further. To the point he may recognize forms and with a little effort colors. Edited July 10, 2016 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elendtheking Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Yata said: A steel/iron savant pushes his understanding of the blues line further. To the point he may recognize forms and with a little effort colors. Where has this been stated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Elendtheking said: Where has this been stated? HoA, when Marsh gets the spike to spike Penrod. He sees a picture on the wall in a house of a minor smoker noble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 50 minutes ago, Elendtheking said: Where has this been stated? Like Alfa said, Marsh for example notices how also without normal sight, He still have a pretty good "visual" sight... Every Inquisitor is forced to burn always iron or steel and they develop Savantism in those metal pretty fast....A very Skilled savant may began to notice always littler piece of metal and trace inside objects... At his peak they began to "see" quite everything metal or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goody153 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Yeah i don't think this is quite possible. Unless the allomancer becomes shard or preservation/ruin then sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeshadow227 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Have you read the first trilogy? Marsh can see the iron in blood. So if he can detect those small amounts of metal, then why wouldn't he be able to detect trace metals in objects? Steel Inquisitors can see people with no metal on them, can't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, Shadeshadow227 said: Have you read the first trilogy? Marsh can see the iron in blood. So if he can detect those small amounts of metal, then why wouldn't he be able to detect trace metals in objects? Steel Inquisitors can see people with no metal on them, can't they? If this is in reference to the stars then I would say because of the mind-boggling distance between Marsh and the star. If it is referring to something else then please disregard this comment haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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