Oversleep Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) This craziness started here. So, here's the theory: Dalinar's wife is Vivenna who is currently Nightwatcher. What I'm proposing here is: Vivenna took over the entity known as Nightwatcher, merging with it. In exchange for boon, she takes Breath of the person who asked for it... the thing is, Rosharans don't have easily detachable part of the soul, so it causes complications. Neurotypical complications, known currently as 'curses'. Prior to taking over Nightwatcher, she was Dalinar's wife. She worldhopped to Roshar with Vasher and that's why Zahel likes Dalinar's kids. Because they are Vivenna's kids. That also explains their hair. Dalinar thinks he went to Nightwatcher, because he did. With Vivenna. Then she merged with Nightwatcher and took his Breath (or rather equivalent of it), what caused his memory loss. And what made him broken which opened possibility of the bond to the Stormfather. Vivenna gathers all these 'Breaths' in attempt to check whether there is Eleventh Heightening. What she plans to do with it, I don't know. Maybe a stronger Type IV BioChromatic Entity? Edited July 2, 2016 by Oversleep 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Alright... This is CRAZY I love it, but have to file it within the crazy theories. Have you listened to the second flashback chapter from Dalinar? It features Shshshshsh, an Iriali refuge seeking solace together with her brother: no Vasher here and the early portrait we had of her didn't bear much resemblance with Vivenna. Shshshsh came across as a left-handed, well-meaning young woman, slightly naive, absolutely gorgeous, but not a political powerhouse nor a scheming genius, a kind spirit which got Navani to refer to her as "vapid". Neither Adolin nor Renarin have the royal locks: there has been several questions on their hair and each time Brandon answered there was nothing special about their hair. Iriali and Alethi hair breed true which I now believe means the kids will have them within proportion of their genetic code. It explains why most "impure" Alethi do not have more than one or two blond locks while Adolin has a full head. In the game of genetic, he inherited most of his genes from his mother, making him more Iriali than Alethi, as evidenced by his hair. It is very rare indeed for one child to favor so heavily one parent, but it does happen as evidenced by this purely blond haired white kid with a black mother I met at the park: the boy took 95% of his genetic from his white father, a rare thing. What evidence would there Vivenna is Shshshsh? What common point do they have apart from being golden haired? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Hm... How would she manage to grant people boons though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted July 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said: Hm... How would she manage to grant people boons though? In my theory, she uses the Nightwatcher powers - she grants boons normally, but the curse is always taking the Breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 So... You are claiming that Vivenna bonded to the nightwatcher? Also wouldn't this make here a radiant? Anyway, you've outcrazied them all I think. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted July 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said: So... You are claiming that Vivenna bonded to the nightwatcher? Also wouldn't this make here a radiant? Anyway, you've outcrazied them all I think. Well done. 9 hours ago, Oversleep said: Vivenna took over the entity known as Nightwatcher, merging with it. In exchange for boon, she takes Breath of the person who asked for it I think first post explains it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 But the tiny Endowment's Splinter inside her would make hard to her to bond/merge with any kind of Spren. Probably every Nalthisian with at least a single Breah will be impossible to bond for a Spren, after all the Spren need crack in the Soul and the Breath is quite an upper layer for a Soul. But of course a Drab would be a fertile field for a Spren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batemenace Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 Yeah, I can't see enough evidence about her being Dalinar's wife. It's an interesting thought the more I think about it, though. When Brandon first began writing Warbreaker, he intended it as an origin story for Vasher, who had been a character in The Way of Kings Prime. Back then, Dalinar was unhappily married to his second wife. Given the current mystery Brandon has surrounded Dalinar's married past, I wouldn't be surprised at his wife being a world hopper, or even a secret second wife thrown in as a twist that might get around the hair issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Script he/him Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 Good theory for fun, but it contains too many speculations without convincing evidences. Though everyone wants to know where Vivenna is, she's unlikely getting involved into SA for now, however I would be very amused if she comes into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 5 hours ago, Batemenace said: Yeah, I can't see enough evidence about her being Dalinar's wife. It's an interesting thought the more I think about it, though. When Brandon first began writing Warbreaker, he intended it as an origin story for Vasher, who had been a character in The Way of Kings Prime. Back then, Dalinar was unhappily married to his second wife. Given the current mystery Brandon has surrounded Dalinar's married past, I wouldn't be surprised at his wife being a world hopper, or even a secret second wife thrown in as a twist that might get around the hair issue. The problem with the wife being a world-hopper is she came with her brother... You would need to have a sister/brother team world-hopping which we do not currently have, as far as I know. The mystery surrounding Dalinar's married life is he doesn't remember it all too well... He remembers the long courtship, but he doesn't remember why he courted her to begin with: it was an arranged wedding made to secure an additional Shardplate within Gavilar's army. The reason it took so long was Shshshsh and her brother were completely horrified by Dalinar, three years is the time it took to convinced them he was a human being. It was all part of a huge gamble just so Gavilar' army would get its hands onto a Shardplate. It serves to illustrates how valuable these are, going into how much trouble they want to get this one and... my guess if they were outwitted. I say, the Irialy got the upper hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 11 hours ago, Yata said: But the tiny Endowment's Splinter inside her would make hard to her to bond/merge with any kind of Spren. Probably every Nalthisian with at least a single Breah will be impossible to bond for a Spren, after all the Spren need crack in the Soul and the Breath is quite an upper layer for a Soul. But of course a Drab would be a fertile field for a Spren. I'm not sure you're necessarily right there. Yes, sometimes the influence of one shard locks out the influence of another- but the examples we've had that of are ruin and preservation, who were two of the most diametrically opposed shards. Endowment and Honour might be compatible enough that it wouldn't be an issue. That said, interesting speculation but I don't really see anything to back it up at this stage. It's a REALLY out there theory though, so if it ends up being true you get serious bonus points, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) Sure I may be wrong but more than Investiture's Inferference I think that would be hard because the "Soul crack" in a Nalthisian's Soul would be already filled by their extra Investiture and in the case of someone with the Royal Locks this mean also an Endowment's Splinter (that it's like to be already bonded with something else). But in general it's like to find an Allomancer elegible to become a KR, his cracks in the Soul would be already filled by Preservation's Power and they would not be used as door to the guy's soul for a Splinter who want to bond it. But of course I may be wrong Edited July 3, 2016 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halinn Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 14 hours ago, Yata said: But the tiny Endowment's Splinter inside her would make hard to her to bond/merge with any kind of Spren. Probably every Nalthisian with at least a single Breah will be impossible to bond for a Spren, after all the Spren need crack in the Soul and the Breath is quite an upper layer for a Soul. But of course a Drab would be a fertile field for a Spren. If being a drab is enough, she could just give Vasher all her Breaths, then have him give them back after she's bonded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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