The immortal feruchemist (full or spiked)

[Elendtheking]

Hello everyone.

Here is a theory I have for you.

If a full feruchemist filled investiture in a nicrosil

metalmind then tapped it while tapping age from an atiummetalmind

then the feruchemist would gain more agelessness then the amount of the attribute

he had filled in it. That would make him be immortal.

Please post your ideas about this theory here.

[king of nowhere]

if i understood correctly how it works, tapping investiture from a nicrosilmind would not allow you to refill other metalminds. nor would it allow you to tap more power from a metalmind than was previously stored in it; though it may let you fill the same metalmind with more investiture, it does not alter the amount of power you can get from the full metalmind.

[Yata]

if i understood correctly how it works, tapping investiture from a nicrosilmind would not allow you to refill other metalminds. nor would it allow you to tap more power from a metalmind than was previously stored in it; though it may let you fill the same metalmind with more investiture, it does not alter the amount of power you can get from the full metalmind.

Yeah in the end, you will not gain more youth then the one you previously Stored.

 

But there is a better way to gain immortality (at least from old age)... You have to be a Connector, a Ferring that may Store and Tap Connections ( if i remember right it's Duralluminium) and you have to store your Connection from your Birthplace/time and tap it to Connect you with a more "recent time".

This would give to you a way to extend your lifespan without the exponentian grow of Metal needed. 

 

This (at least in Theory) would give you the true "ageless" instead with the Atium compound one day your ability to generate Youth will be overcome by the Youth needed.

[king of nowhere]

Yeah in the end, you will not gain more youth then the one you previously Stored.

 

But there is a better way to gain immortality (at least from old age)... You have to be a Connector, a Ferring that may Store and Tap Connections ( if i remember right it's Duralluminium) and you have to store your Connection from your Birthplace/time and tap it to Connect you with a more "recent time".

This would give to you a way to extend your lifespan without the exponentian grow of Metal needed. 

 

This (at least in Theory) would give you the true "ageless" instead with the Atium compound one day your ability to generate Youth will be overcome by the Youth needed.

I'm... not sure that would work.

And we know too little of how connection works to be sure.

but i'd be surprised if tapping connection to a place you lived in when you were younger would actually make you young.

[Voidus]

Some spoilers for future Mistborn books (Specifically Bands of Mourning) are needed in order to properly answer the OP.

 

The only method of storing Investiture that we know of at the moment stores your ability to use Investiture rather than pure Investiture as was previously assumed. So you can store your ability to use feruchemical atium and tap it later to become a stronger feruchemist (What that might actually mean is a separate discussion) but you couldn't tap it to make an existing charge stronger.

[Yata]

I'm... not sure that would work.

And we know too little of how connection works to be sure.

but i'd be surprised if tapping connection to a place you lived in when you were younger would actually make you young.

Well We know the Soul "knows" how old you are because it has Connection to your birthplace, and it's the reason for TLR death when Atiummind were removed.... There was a great difference from "how he have to be" and "how he is"... and the Soul try to recover the gap (in the end killing it, but well Life Sucks XD).

 

In a extended WoB (the one about the Atium Compounding), Mister Sanderson said that Rashek could use a better "Immortality trick" if he manage to play with his Connection with his birthplace.

(Now I will began to find that WoB to post it here)

 

EDIT: Ok I am more fast than I thought (I bolded the interesting part)

 

 

All right, so there are a few things you have to understand about cosmere magics to grok all of this.

 

First, is that magics can be hacked together. You'll see more of this in the future of the cosmere, but an early one is the hack here--where you're essentially powering Feruchemy with Allomancy. (A little more complex than that, but it seems like you get the idea.)

 

The piece you're missing is the nature of a person's Spiritual aspect. This is similar to a Platonic idea--the idea that there's a perfect version of everyone somewhere. It's a mix of their connections to places, people, and times with raw investiture. The soul, you might say.

 

(Note that over time, a person's perception of themselves shapes their cognitive aspect as well, and the cognitive aspect can interfere with the spiritual aspect trying to make the physical aspect repair itself.) Healing in the cosmere often works by aligning your physical self with your spiritual self--making the physical regrow. More powerful forms of investiture can repair the soul as well.

 

However, your age is part of your Connection to places, people, and times. Your soul "knows" things, like where you were born, what investiture you are aligned with, and--yes--how old you are. When you're healing yourself, you're restoring yourself to a perfect state--when you're done, everything is good. When you're changing your age, however, you are transforming yourself to something unnatural. Against what your soul understands to be true.

 

So the spiritual aspect will push for a restoration to the way you should be. With this compounding hack, you're not changing connection; it's a purely Physical Realm change.

 

This dichotomy cannot remain for long. And the greater the disparity, the more pressure the spirit will exert. Ten or twenty years won't matter much. A thousand will matter a lot. So the only way to use compounding to change your age is to store up all this extra youth in a metalmind, then be constantly tapping it to counteract the soul's attempt to restore you to how you should be.

 

Yes, all of this means there are FAR more efficient means of counteracting aging than the one used by the Lord Ruler. It's a hack, and not meant to be terribly efficient. Eventually, he wouldn't have been able to maintain himself this way at all. Changing connection (or even involving ones Cognitive Aspect a little more) would have been far more efficient, though actively more difficult.

 

Though this is the point where I ping /u/PeterAhlstrom  and get him to double-check all this. Once in a while, my fingers still type the wrong term in places. (See silvereye vs tineye.)

Edited May 12, 2016 by Yata

[Jondesu]

Well We know the Soul "knows" how old you are because it has Connection to your birthplace, and it's the reason for TLR death when Atiummind were removed.... There was a great difference from "how he have to be" and "how he is"... and the Soul try to recover the gap (in the end killing it, but well Life Sucks XD).

In a extended WoB (the one about the Atium Compounding), Mister Sanderson said that Rashek could use a better "Immortality trick" if he manage to play with his Connection with his birthplace.

Actually, the birthplace is a separate connection there. Your Spiritual aspect knows how old you are he says. I would assume it either is a connection to your birthdate, or some more magical form of Age Connection. Altering your Connection to a location of birth might do some interesting things, but it wouldn't change your age.

jW

[Yata]

Actually, the birthplace is a separate connection there. Your Spiritual aspect knows how old you are he says. I would assume it either is a connection to your birthdate, or some more magical form of Age Connection. Altering your Connection to a location of birth might do some interesting things, but it wouldn't change your age.

jW

Sorry for birthplace I meant both Space and time of your Birth... Maybe I have to write it more clearly.

[king of nowhere]

ok, so brandon said that there is a way, but i doubt it's that simple, or tlr would have used it instead.

[Yata]

ok, so brandon said that there is a way, but i doubt it's that simple, or tlr would have used it instead.

Probably or maybe He didn't want to use Metal virtual "unknown" to the popolation (Durallumin).

But in the end I think he wanted to develop his ability to Burn Ruin's body...and he simply used compound Atium