Hoid's Feruchemy [BoM spoilers]

[Khyrindor he/him]

We know from a WoB (#2) That Hoid uses feruchemy to know when important events take place.

 

 

MIKE COCKRUM

Hoid is regularly around when important events take place. How does he know where to go?

BRANDON SANDERSON

He uses Feruchemy. Part of it that will show up in later books.

 

Emphasis mine. 

Part of it will show up in later books. What has recently been revealed? The Southern Scadrians' unkeyed metalminds that grant anyone the powers. We know that Hoid is not of Terris descent, so how else would he have feruchemy? He just uses the tech from South Scadrial. 

We saw Hoid in Bands of Mourning throw Wax that coppermind for some reason, which led Wax to realize that Kelsier was impersonating the Lord Ruler, so we know that Hoid has knowledge at the very least of these unkeyed metalminds. 

Apologies if this has been mentioned before. I just made the connection and wanted to know what you all thought.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Khyrindor

[Nashan’Elin he/him]

I like the idea, but how could Hoid be doing this before the SoScads every existed?

[Yata he/him]

I like the idea, but how could Hoid be doing this before the SoScads every existed?

It is possible that ancient Terris popolation discovered how create this kind of device... but the knowledge was lost with the rise of the Ashen World.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Yata

[Khyrindor he/him]

I seem to remember a WoB that stated that the pre-ascension tech was railroadish level. So it's possible they knew of it as well. And, if anyone could figure it out, I'd expect Hoid to. Besides, he isn't Terris, and he doesn't use Hemalurgy, so what other way could he use feruchemy?

[Argel he/him]

I thought it was "early industrial". Not sure if that means trains or not.

[Yata he/him]

Well if we think about... quite all the Feruchemist was turned into Mistwraith, the knowledge may really be lost.

The only "survivor" was the first generation of Kandra but they are packmen not Scholar or people who probably may know some "advanced application of feruchemy".

 

Someone may try to ask to BS if in the ancient Terris the Nicrosil was an unknown metal.

[Erunion he/him]

Scadrial was a big planet, not just one continent. Were the Terris people the ONLY people with Feruchemy, or just the ones near Khlennium? 
(Because if they were, how do South Scadrian's have Feruchemy?)

[baby he/him]

Only Terris, and the reason the SoScads have it is because of the medallions. None were born with feruchemy (that we know of).

[glassesgeekn07]

Only Terris, and the reason the SoScads have it is because of the medallions. None were born with feruchemy (that we know of).

  If they were then they would be some super feruchemist

  Add with shardplate and the ultimate warrior is born

[The Sovereign]

We saw Hoid in Bands of Mourning throw Wax that coppermind for some reason, which led Wax to realize that Kelsier was impersonating the Lord Ruler, so we know that Hoid has knowledge at the very least of these unkeyed metalminds.

 

While I like this idea, I'm pretty sure Brandon has confirmed that the form of Feruchemy Hoid uses originates from Yolen rather than Scadrial. Like his lightweaving (when compared to Roshar's) it is probably functionally very similar but slightly different than the Scadrian Feruchemy.

[Khyrindor he/him]

 

While I like this idea, I'm pretty sure Brandon has confirmed that the form of Feruchemy Hoid uses originates from Yolen rather than Scadrial. Like his lightweaving (when compared to Roshar's) it is probably functionally very similar but slightly different than the Scadrian Feruchemy.

 

I haven't seen that before. Was it a recent one? 

[Ari he/him]

 

While I like this idea, I'm pretty sure Brandon has confirmed that the form of Feruchemy Hoid uses originates from Yolen rather than Scadrial. Like his lightweaving (when compared to Roshar's) it is probably functionally very similar but slightly different than the Scadrian Feruchemy.

 

Really? I'm definitely with Khyrindor on wanting a source for that. I think it's eminently possible that something like Feruchemy exists or has existed elsewhere in the Cosmere, but I didn't think we had confirmation that this was how Hoid was able to use Feruchemy.

[Khyrindor he/him]

I definitely agree that most of the systems were possible under Adonalsium, but since we have seen Hoid in the books with a coppermind, he definitely has access. It's possible that they had it pre-Ascension. 

[Erunion he/him]

Only Terris, and the reason the SoScads have it is because of the medallions. None were born with feruchemy (that we know of).

In that case, how do they make the medallions? Doesn't the manufacture of the medallions require Feruchemy? (You need the ability to store investiture?)

 

 

.... I need to reread Bands of Mourning to go over all of this again.

[Yata he/him]

In that case, how do they make the medallions? Doesn't the manufacture of the medallions require Feruchemy? (You need the ability to store investiture?)

 

 

.... I need to reread Bands of Mourning to go over all of this again.

Actually they said that the Sovreign left them something and once they have it, the Southern begin to undertand how to create Medallions.

 

Some say the Sovreign take with him some Feruchemist and this gave through some bloodline Feruchemy to the Southern. Others talk about some Inquisitor's Spikes. There are many possible explainations.

 

I actually think, that he left somekind of Nicrosil+Alluminium Medallion-Device (probably without Medallion shape) and with those devices. Any Metalborn within the Southern (are very rare but not impossible) became capable to creates medallions with they own powers... This of course don't remove the problem of Feruchemy's Source of the Southern.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Yata

[Ari he/him]

In that case, how do they make the medallions? Doesn't the manufacture of the medallions require Feruchemy? (You need the ability to store investiture?)

 

 

.... I need to reread Bands of Mourning to go over all of this again.

 

There's a topic about how it works in the BoM forums. The short version is that you need to combine the powers of nicrosil feruchemy, aluminium feruchemy, and whatever actual power you want the medallion to give, all in one person. (and also a relevant Feruchemical store, in some cases) On top of that, there's apparently a hack to let people who aren't initiated use the medallions that Brandon will show in a future story.

 

There are multiple potential ways you can combine those powers, however in the beginning, you would either have needed a full feruchemist or someone spiked with additional feruchemical abilities to start off manufacturing the relevant nicrosilminds. From there you could presumably have a Nicrosil compounder to move to mass production.