Confused Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Brandon has said that Nightblood is the only exception to the Cosmere’s version of the laws of thermodynamics; he causes a net loss of investiture in the Cosmere. Doesn’t this also happen with people’s souls after death? Souls are made from Spiritual Realm investiture. If souls fly to the “Beyond,” doesn’t that also remove investiture from the Cosmere? There’s a WoB somewhere that soul’s investiture somehow gets recycled (IIRC, and I may not be). That suggests the God Beyond ISN’T “Beyond” or at least has a pipeline back to the Spiritual Realm once the investiture has been scrubbed clean of the soul’s Connections. Thoughts?
Observer Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 What you see in Secret History is a cognitive aspect, which Harmony in Bands of Mourning says is "returned to the Cosmere." But that's just a nitpick, because he also says the soul goes someplace Beyond that he can't reach, so we're still losing something. I've got no idea how it works though.
DreamEternal Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 What you see in Secret History is a cognitive aspect, which Harmony in Bands of Mourning says is "returned to the Cosmere." But that's just a nitpick, because he also says the soul goes someplace Beyond that he can't reach, so we're still losing something. I've got no idea how it works though. I think Brandon mixed things up. The soul, the Spiritual Aspect, has its investiture recicled, and the mind, the Cognitive Aspect, goes beyond.
Observer Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Harmony, in Bands of Mourning quote: "Your body, mind, and soul have separated. Soon one will return to the earth, another to the cosmere, and the third...Even I do not know. Barring some very strange wordplay, that seems to imply that the Cognitive Aspect of a person is recycled, and the Spiritual Aspect, whatever lets your Cognitive Aspect stay together as itself, is what's really pulled into the Beyond and to who knows what. Edited March 4, 2016 by Observer 3
King's Twit he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Harmony, in Bands of Mourning quote: Barring some very strange wordplay, that seems to imply that the Cognitive Aspect of a person is recycled, and the Spiritual Aspect, whatever lets your Cognitive Aspect stay together as itself, is what's really pulled into the Beyond and to who knows what. Maybe it was a phrasing thing. "body, mind, and soul" is the phrasing that sounds best for this list, at least in my mind, and it would be awkward to put the "...Even I don't know" in the middle of the second list rather than the end. "Soon one will return to the earth, another to the cosmere, and the third...Even I do not know" vs "Soon one will return to the earth, another...Even I don't know, and the third to the Cosmere" The "and the third" part is not necessarily referring to the third item in the progression of the list (body,mind,soul), instead it could refer to the fact that there is one remaining item on the list to discuss. This is by no means a definitive argument or claim, I'm just trying to argue against putting too much stock in the exact phrasing of this quote, as I've seen some people doing. Edited March 4, 2016 by King's Twit
DreamEternal Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Harmony, in Bands of Mourning quote: Barring some very strange wordplay, that seems to imply that the Cognitive Aspect of a person is recycled, and the Spiritual Aspect, whatever lets your Cognitive Aspect stay together as itself, is what's really pulled into the Beyond and to who knows what. Do you realize I was talking about that exact quote, when I said that Brandon mixed things up?
Ari he/him Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Brandon has said that Nightblood is the only exception to the Cosmere’s version of the laws of thermodynamics; he causes a net loss of investiture in the Cosmere. Doesn’t this also happen with people’s souls after death? Souls are made from Spiritual Realm investiture. If souls fly to the “Beyond,” doesn’t that also remove investiture from the Cosmere? There’s a WoB somewhere that soul’s investiture somehow gets recycled (IIRC, and I may not be). That suggests the God Beyond ISN’T “Beyond” or at least has a pipeline back to the Spiritual Realm once the investiture has been scrubbed clean of the soul’s Connections. Thoughts? It could be a "net loss" in the sense that the investiture is conserved but moves into something like a heat-death phase where it costs more energy than it's worth to recover investiture that Nightblood has spent/"lost." Brandon has previously said that Investiture doesn't break thermodynamics or anything, so "net loss" can't mean any investiture is actually DESTROYED destroyed, but it could be transformed in a non-helpful way, either rendered functionally inert or polluted.
Bugsy he/him Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 Perhaps Nightblood acts as a sort of antimater to investiture's matter, creating energy to power the sword when the 2 come in contact but resulting in the anhiliation of both. This would explain the "net loss" of investiture. Furthermore, the death and following loss of investiture could be similar to proton decay, or the change of investiture into a form that is nearly irretrievable.
emailanimal he/him Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 Let's not forget that people are born in Cosmere every day and with each person born, so is a new soul. There is no need for a law of preservation of souls in Cosmere.
Ari he/him Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 Perhaps Nightblood acts as a sort of antimater to investiture's matter, creating energy to power the sword when the 2 come in contact but resulting in the anhiliation of both. This would explain the "net loss" of investiture. Furthermore, the death and following loss of investiture could be similar to proton decay, or the change of investiture into a form that is nearly irretrievable. Right, but that's transformation too.
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