Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) There aren't many tides so they aren't huge like the moon of earth but they determine the high storms so they must contain giant amounts of investiture so they must be made up of mostly gem stones The moons are also described as having different colors. Salas - Smallest and dimmest of the moons, violet light. Nomon - the Middle moon, has blue light Mishim - the final moon, is described as a "small green disk" Blue, Green, and Violet. sounds like gem colors. Edited March 4, 2016 by Bryce Carmony 6
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Since when did the moons have anything to do with highstorms? I don't remember that.
ecohansen Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Have you checked out this thread? http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6334-the-moons-of-roshar/
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Posted March 4, 2016 Since when did the moons have anything to do with highstorms? I don't remember that. The reason high storms are predictable but not regular is because they're based on the movements of the moons, each moon has it's own orbit and they only line up every 500 days once on light years they line up on the far side of the world on Storm years they line up mid weeping
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Have you checked out this thread? http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6334-the-moons-of-roshar/ Since control+F for "storm" turned up nothing on the first page I assume this isn't directed at me? The reason high storms are predictable but not regular is because they're based on the movements of the moons, each moon has it's own orbit and they only line up every 500 days once on light years they line up on the far side of the world on Storm years they line up mid weeping . . . what? They rise and set in exact sequence every night, without change. 1
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Posted March 4, 2016 Since control+F for "storm" turned up nothing on the first page I assume this isn't directed at me? . . . what? They rise and set in exact sequence every night, without change. they only circle the planet at the same interval which means that their orbit is 20 hours long. it doesn't mean they go in a perfect circle. Pattern uses the positions of the moons to reason shallan's behavior change (even though that was exact) so they don't hold 1 position 500 days a year.
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Posted March 4, 2016 Not to mention the moons are described as having Green, blue, and violet light unlike our moon which is just boring old white
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 With no axial tilt and the timing between moonsets and moonrises (are those actual words?) being apparently very precise, there's not all that much room for shifting. Obviously the orbits have to be elliptical to work at all, but if they don't share an orbit then they still wouldn't be too far apart in orbits. What kind of lining up are we talking about here? If it's the eclipse sort it's impossible already. If side by side, the description suggests that's impossible too.
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Posted March 4, 2016 With no axial tilt and the timing between moonsets and moonrises (are those actual words?) being apparently very precise, there's not all that much room for shifting. Obviously the orbits have to be elliptical to work at all, but if they don't share an orbit then they still wouldn't be too far apart in orbits. What kind of lining up are we talking about here? If it's the eclipse sort it's impossible already. If side by side, the description suggests that's impossible too. they moons would have to move in the sky since Taln's Scar moves in the sky given that people claim to be able to divine something about a persons personality given the position of Taln's Scar on their 7th birthday. so the planet at least moves which means the positions of the moons can very well control high storms.
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Well, yes, a planet that doesn't move will just crash into the sun, that much is obvious. But since moons orbit the planet itself that's not really an immediately relevant issue. Taln's Scar wouldn't be anywhere comparably close to Roshar the way the moons are, and lunar orbit has little to do with star cluster positions. Either way, most evidence points to highstorms being mostly a Stormfather thing. Moonlight is too stable to be from infusion, too. If it pulsed I think it would've been mentioned in the books somehow, for worldbuilding's sake. Edited March 4, 2016 by natc
Pathfinder Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Aren't there WoB that the moons are not natural, and that is part of the reason that their position in space and how they move is atypical for what they should do?
AnikoliNightmareVision she/her Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 My first thought after reading the title of the thread was "this sounds quite similar to moon is made od cheese" but after that moment I thinked this is a good theory. Proof could be that our moon is acctually white because it's reflecting the light from the our sun. And even if it's about that that roshar's sun has some strange colour, all moons should be in the same colour, but they aren't. Aren't there WoB that the moons are not natural, and that is part of the reason that their position in space and how they move is atypical for what they should do? that could explane some things if there is a WoB about that
Pathfinder Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 My first thought after reading the title of the thread was "this sounds quite similar to moon is made od cheese" but after that moment I thinked this is a good theory. Proof could be that our moon is acctually white because it's reflecting the light from the our sun. And even if it's about that that roshar's sun has some strange colour, all moons should be in the same colour, but they aren't. that could explane some things if there is a WoB about that im better at citing book quotes, as my search fu is weak but fortunately I was able to find it, and turns out it is a WoP but still valid, please see below: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/5854-setting-limits-on-the-size-of-roshar-the-planet-and-roshar-the-continent/page-4?p=94976#entry94976 1
AnikoliNightmareVision she/her Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 im better at citing book quotes, as my search fu is weak but fortunately I was able to find it, and turns out it is a WoP but still valid, please see below: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/5854-setting-limits-on-the-size-of-roshar-the-planet-and-roshar-the-continent/page-4?p=94976#entry94976 so as Peter said that these moons were probably put there artificially it's posible that they are giant gem stones
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Posted March 4, 2016 The moons are like the Ashmounts, Sanderson had has them their for a meaningful reason, just like juxtaposed mist the gem moons play a major role I Roshar as they cause the high storms. 1
Voidus Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 My first thought after reading the title of the thread was "this sounds quite similar to moon is made od cheese" but after that moment I thinked this is a good theory. Proof could be that our moon is acctually white because it's reflecting the light from the our sun. And even if it's about that that roshar's sun has some strange colour, all moons should be in the same colour, but they aren't. that could explane some things if there is a WoB about that The color of the moon has more to do with its makeup than the light it reflects, three different moons with different chemical makeup (either in the form of the ground or even potentially an atmosphere) could easily explain the difference. 1
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 5, 2016 Author Posted March 5, 2016 And they could be meaningless after all Brandon rarely puts much thought into his books right? Just three chemical moons colors chosen at random. 1
Jondesu he/him Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 I assume you're being sarcastic, Bryce, considering the number of minute details that ended up being major plot points in, well, just about all of his books. You're new here though, so I can't be sure. I do suspect there's at least some connection to gemstones, even if the moons aren't made of them, and to the highstorms. My guess is that they influence the highstorms not through orbital mechanics or whatever, but from an Investiture standpoint. Somehow that storm gets filled to the brim with Stormlight, and I have to wonder if there's more to it than the Origin (which I don't know if we even have confirmed to exist). jW
Voidus Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 And they could be meaningless after all Brandon rarely puts much thought into his books right? Just three chemical moons colors chosen at random. Meaningless is not the same thing as not what you think. They could have meaning but still not be giant gemstones. Three moons for three realms? For the three Shards on Roshar? Plenty of possible connections that don't revolve around being giant gemstones.
hoidhunter he/him Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 And they could be meaningless after all Brandon rarely puts much thought into his books right? Just three chemical moons colors chosen at random. I've seen posts written with the same level of care...it always bugs me when writers publish things without thinking them through...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 5, 2016 Author Posted March 5, 2016 I've seen posts written with the same level of care...it always bugs me when writers publish things without thinking them through... Thank you for the compliment. Having my writing compared to Sanderson is very humbling but I would argue undeserved, thank you anyways.
KidWayne he/him Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 Ok, to re-introduce some civility here. SIDE NOTE > SMH... C'mon guys, this is the 17th Shard. This is not the place for internet flame wars, provocative statements, and/or sarcastic backbiting. If we are going to continue to encourage the free exchange of ideas we would do well not to frighten or intimidate potential posters by abusing those who do go out on a limb to share their thoughts. Now play nice or Eric/Chaos (or some other admin) will show up and send you all running home with a "does not play well with others" on your report card(s). I personally think the "moons are gemstones" thing is weak but not impossible. The moons' colors are obviously related to the three shards (Odium = Salas/violet | Honor = Nomon/blue | Cultivation = Mishim/green). Now, whether or not the moons are the shards' physical realm components/representations or not is up for debate. To my knowledge there aren't any WoBs that explain the mystical or realmatic aspects of the moons, so I suppose theorizing that they are in fact gemstones (i.e. repositories of investiture) works as well as anything else. Again, IMO, that seems unlikely but not impossible. 1
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