Pagerunner he/him Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 37 minutes ago, Figberts said: In other words, if a vessel is killed, the shard stays together because it only has one purpose. When Adonalsium died, he split because his power repelled other aspects of his power. If Sazed were to die, maybe Ruin and Preservation would split. Ruin and Preservation are intermingled sufficiently that, if Sazed died, he would drop Harmony as a single Shard. It appears that something is required to Shatter in addition to the death of the Vessel.
marsoupial they/them Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 So, did the Shatterers kill Adonalsium because of the power he possessed or because they had a personal vendetta against the man himself?
Markus Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) On 2/1/2016 at 11:34 AM, Shardbearer said: The shards for Vin and Ati were only fine because someone was able to quickly take up the power. They probably would have shattered if not for Sazed. 30 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: Ruin and Preservation are intermingled sufficiently that, if Sazed died, he would drop Harmony as a single Shard. It appears that something is required to Shatter in addition to the death of the Vessel. We're forgetting that Ruin and Preservation were shattered by a different method than Honor, Devotion, and Dominon. They only shattered because their powers were so perfectly opposite and reaced like matter and antimatter. Odium didn't do this with those three. As far as I'm aware, we're not sure which method Adonalsium was shattered by (or by a completely different method). Edited March 3, 2017 by Markus Addition
Pagerunner he/him Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Markus said: We're forgetting that Ruin and Preservation were shattered by a different method than Honor, Devotion, and Dominon. They only shattered because their powers were so perfectly opposite and reaced like matter and antimatter. Odium didn't do this with those three. As far as I'm aware, we're not sure which method Adonalsium was shattered by (or by a completely different method). Ruin and Preservation haven't been Splintered, so yes, by definition they weren't shattered the way Odium shattered other Shards. The Vessels were killed by their direct interaction, but the Shards themselves were still whole. I'll disagree with @Shardbearer's suggestion (acknowledging that it was made over a year ago); although bad things would happen because the powers aren't being held by a mind, Splintering a Shard is something that requires knowledge and intention (the Ire didn't think Ruin knew how to Splinter Preservation, although he proved them wrong), so I don't think it would have happened on its own.
Markus Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Pagerunner said: Ruin and Preservation haven't been Splintered, so yes, by definition they weren't shattered the way Odium shattered other Shards. The Vessels were killed by their direct interaction, but the Shards themselves were still whole. I'll disagree with @Shardbearer's suggestion (acknowledging that it was made over a year ago); although bad things would happen because the powers aren't being held by a mind, Splintering a Shard is something that requires knowledge and intention (the Ire didn't think Ruin knew how to Splinter Preservation, although he proved them wrong), so I don't think it would have happened on its own. As far as I know, Ruin didn't know how to splinter Preservation. It was simply the opposition of the powers, combined with Preservation having far less power than he did. He didn't survive the encounter, while Odium clearly survived all of his splinterings. Also, Odium isn't an oppisite to Dominon, Devotion, Ambition, and Honor. We can't compare Harmony to Adonalsium, because they were (probably) shattered differently.
+Extesian he/him Posted March 3, 2017 Posted March 3, 2017 4 hours ago, Pagerunner said: Ruin and Preservation haven't been Splintered, so yes, by definition they weren't shattered the way Odium shattered other Shards. The Vessels were killed by their direct interaction, but the Shards themselves were still whole. I'll disagree with @Shardbearer's suggestion (acknowledging that it was made over a year ago); although bad things would happen because the powers aren't being held by a mind, Splintering a Shard is something that requires knowledge and intention (the Ire didn't think Ruin knew how to Splinter Preservation, although he proved them wrong), so I don't think it would have happened on its own. Yeah this is my take, that it's one thing to kill a Vessel and quite another to Splinter the Shard they carry. Quote QUESTION The next question I have is does Odium have to recover after Shattering a Shard? BRANDON SANDERSON It is a difficult process that is very taxing. It may be that Splintering a Shard will always kill the Vessel (I've seen nothing for it against that) and that the WoB is just talking about the effort Odium expended in killing his opponents, but I think it means that there's an entirely separate process to perform the Splintering.
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