Gaussian Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Hello, I am fairly new to the forums and this is my first topic. I don't know if it has been discussed before, but I wanted to propose that we have already seen FTL travel in the cosmere on Sel. I propose the the transportation induced by the use of the Aon Tia produces FTL travel, first because there is no sound wave upon arrival, second because you can end up inside of a wall if you are not careful. I also would love to hear theories about FTL travel on Scadrial here, and any other cosmere world for that matter. 1
Aether he/him Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) I think Selish FTL is going to be a real challenge. First of all, it's (currently) only one way. Unless you find some other source than the Dor to power it, you could never return through the same method. Secondly, if jumping from Elantris to Teod is risky, imagine how difficult it would be to jump from one spinning planet going several tenths of thousand kilometres per hour in a circular orbit onto another spinning planet moving several thousand kilometres per hour. On the plus side, the chances of hitting a wall is rather slim, on the negative side, the chances of actually hitting the planet at all is almost just as tiny. The Scadrian Metallic Arts do have a way of producing FTL travel built into it, Brandon has said as much, but we have only guesses about how that is supposed to go. Edited January 20, 2014 by Aether 3
Shardlet he/him Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 It seems that this is more like beaming that direct travel. If so, it would not precisely be FTL only effectively so (if it was that rapid). I don't see any velocity involved. There certainly doesn't appear to be acceleration and deceleration as I recall. Either would kill the people being transported. 1
Darkarma he/him Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Anyone else thinking that there might be the investiture equivalent of comsic background radiation that could used to replace dor and power Sel type magics? "Comsere Background Adonalsium Radiation"? Might make things relatively easier on the would be god or forger attempting world hop. Since Sel is based on imagery... the shapes used would probably constelation based and much more static. 1
Kurkistan he/him Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Hello Gaussian, good first theory. That's a good catch that Aonic teleportation seems to constitute FTL travel. It is likely of a different kind than Scadrian FTL, though, since we have been given reason to believe that Scadrian ships traverse space, rather than "beaming" between two points. I may or may not have a few theories pertaining to Scadrian FTL... 1
Shardlet he/him Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) If you ever want to get Kurkistan's attention, post a theory on FTL or time bubbles. Edited January 15, 2014 by Shardlet
Kurkistan he/him Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 If you ever want to get Kurkistan's attention, post a theory on FTL or time bubbles. Time bubbles!!! 2
dyring Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) I´m thinking there is a way of making a "portable" elantris to bring along, another boosting Aeon like the city, but smaller. To give you the ability to use them far from elantris. Either that, or to "store" aeonic power in an Aeon battery of some sort;). Or for a person in elantris to channel power to an engine far away, by way of somehow attuning himself before they leave. Edited January 15, 2014 by dyring
Gaussian Posted January 15, 2014 Author Posted January 15, 2014 Another note is that after reviewing some of the old FTL theory linked by Kurkistan, it appears that the compounding of steel and f-steel wasn't discussed. Since in other cases compounding leads to a significant increase in output (energy source: potentially the thermodynamic losses of some other allomantic interactions), the question is if burning steel that you have stored speed in only would let you move very quickly, or if you could somehow transmit said speed into an object you are pushing. Then, if the latter is true, could you use the feruchemically stored speed to overcome the light barrier when a raw push could not (at least according to the understanding of special relativity on our planet_.
Kurkistan he/him Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Sorry for making you endure that, some of them are a bit of a slog. Mainly I like to keep them in mind because they contain, to my knowledge, all of our FTL-relevant WoB's. There was some discussion of using Feruchemical steel in this thread; I believe that the conclusion was that pesky relativity doesn't buy it when you say "but what if I go really fast, can I go faster than c then?!"
Swimmingly he/him Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Another note is that after reviewing some of the old FTL theory linked by Kurkistan, it appears that the compounding of steel and f-steel wasn't discussed. Since in other cases compounding leads to a significant increase in output (energy source: potentially the thermodynamic losses of some other allomantic interactions), the question is if burning steel that you have stored speed in only would let you move very quickly, or if you could somehow transmit said speed into an object you are pushing. Then, if the latter is true, could you use the feruchemically stored speed to overcome the light barrier when a raw push could not (at least according to the understanding of special relativity on our planet_.Except that the pressure of pushing a spaceshio would kill you Unless you were a full feruchemist and mistborn compounding pewter, iron, and steel, while burning steel and pewter allomantically.
Isomere Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I'm still a fan of the improbability drive for ftl.
Shardlet he/him Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 The infinite improbability drive is better.
Shardlet he/him Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Just be careful of spontaneously appearing bowls of petunias when using such a drive. They may stage an elaborate trap to kill you in one of their subsequent lives.
SirVarrock he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 In regards to using Feruchemical steel for FTL, isn't there some sort of exponential curve when tapping a Feruchemical ability? 1
Quiver he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I've been joking that the later Cosmere stuff is going to be fantasy Star Trek, but wow. Scadrian spaceships, with teleporters powered by Selish magic, and Soulcasters to act as Replicators? If Lightweaving can cast illusions over a wider range, you've even got a holodeck. "These are the voyages of the starship Elendel..." 2
digitalbusker he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 "These are the voyages of the starship Elendel..."USS* Vindication, surely. *: United Scadrial Ship
Kurkistan he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) "These are the voyages of the starship Elendel..." USS* Vindication, surely. *: United Scadrial Ship Ahem. It's actually the S.S. Vindicator. *Scadrial Ship Edited January 23, 2014 by Kurkistan 2
Quiver he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) I picture Vindication as more of a Defiant-class ship, brimming with guns and shields and a (mist)cloaking device to use against whatever idiot decides to make an enemy of the Confederation of Shardworlds. EDIT For instance, a (mist)cloak like the one Kurk obviously used to ninja me and declare Scadrian independence! Edited January 23, 2014 by Quiver 2
digitalbusker he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Upvote for putting "Captain, we cannot fire while Mistcloaked!" in my head. 3
Youngy he/him Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I think Selish FTL is going to be a real challenge. First of all, it's (currently) only one way. Unless you find some other source than the Dor to power it, you could never return through the same method. I have a feeling there is a theory somewhere that one could. What they would have to do would be to alter the base form (symbol) to that of the area they are in to draw the power from it. It's all about that first symbol that is put down - which looks like the nation the power is being drawn from. EDIT: And I have just found a WoB that crushes this theory. Birth in a certain location on Sel gives a certain affinity for the local symbols, and their usage. To use the magic of another region, one would need to have a rewritten connection to that area instead. http://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/1ced7z/iamstilla_novelist_named_brandon_sanderson_ama/c9fosdo Edited January 24, 2014 by Youngy 1
Kurkistan he/him Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) It's possible to interpret that WoB as needing to be born somewhere as a requirement only for actually using that region's magic, not its connection to the Dor. So Shai couldn't suddenly start using AonDor if she moved to Arelon, but she still might be able to use Aon Aon as her "sealing mark" on her stamps and access the Dor that way. Edited January 24, 2014 by Kurkistan 1
Aether he/him Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I have a feeling there is a theory somewhere that one could. What they would have to do would be to alter the base form (symbol) to that of the area they are in to draw the power from it. It's all about that first symbol that is put down - which looks like the nation the power is being drawn from. I am aware of that theory (and Kurk's interpretation of it), my main problem is that you wouldn't have access to the Dor on another planet. Now, a recent WoB states that magic systems can be "jury-rigged" to fuel each-other, but it was implied that it would take a considerable amount of knowledge and work to do so. Two-way Selish FTL-travel is possible, but not likely happen any time soon.
ninch he/him Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 What if you brought a seon with you and used its aon as your base aon? Maybe that would allow you to access the dor from far away. 1
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