xbauks he/him Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 I know nothing. Here's the best I've got. 1. Two inferential reasonings: a. Nohadon talks about walking (from Abamabar) to Urithiru in the in-book WoK. I think the Knights were involved in establishing Urithiru. b. Nohadon's parables relate to ideals including 5th ideal for each order. If the 5th ideals were known, there were 5th ideal Radiants. 2. Jasnah tells Shallan that the Radiants abandoned Urithiru before the Recreance (chapter 45) 3. I can't tell whether Honor was splintered before or after the Recreance. Recreance vision argues for after, but it could have been a future vision. The epigraph before chapter 2 that says something like "Ten orders. We were loved, once. Why have you forsaken us, Almighty! Shard of my soul, where have you gone?" seems like it could have been a Radiant after the splintering. 1a. I couldn't find any reference to the Knights establishing Urithiru. In Dalinar's vision "Starfalls" the KR mentions that the Orders are based in Urithiru but the KR live in Alethela. 1b. Only reference I could find to this was Teft. He mentions that the KR based their Ideals on the WoK. If there is another reference I missed please let me know. 2. Thanks for pointing this out. I completely missed this. 3. I had missed that epigraph as well. What if the splintering of Honour made the KR realize that the Heralds had lied? That they hadn't won and that the Desolations were going to keep coming.
hoser he/him Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 As I said, some of the reasoning is inferential. 1a. I couldn't find any reference to the Knights establishing Urithiru. In Dalinar's vision "Starfalls" the KR mentions that the Orders are based in Urithiru but the KR live in Alethela. 1b. Only reference I could find to this was Teft. He mentions that the KR based their Ideals on the WoK. If there is another reference I missed please let me know. 2. Thanks for pointing this out. I completely missed this. 3. I had missed that epigraph as well. What if the splintering of Honour made the KR realize that the Heralds had lied? That they hadn't won and that the Desolations were going to keep coming. 1a. The epigraph for Ch. 35 has someone saying that many wanted Urithiru to be in Alethela, but it could not be, so they asked for it to be placed westward. According to a knight in "Starfalls", the orders were centered in Urithiru, but lived across Alethela. Apparently the knights were the only ones who could get there. The simplest interpretations I can figure out is that the epigraph is the voice of someone involved in the nascent Knights. What is your alternative explanation? 1b. tWoK is also referred to as forty parables. There is one common ideal that is apparently the moral of the introduction that Dalinar recites to Elhokar and Sadeas at Adolin's duel. There is another one read to Dalinar about candles that clearly has a moral that could be an ideal. There are 10 orders each with 4 unique ideals which equals forty ideals. Dalinar also refers to tWoK as teaching leadership. Teft is our best source for information about the Knights and has been fairly accurate. There is some evidence in support and none against. Not proof, but what is your argument against? 3. I can argue it either way. One possibility is that the splintering was first, then the epigraph, then the Recreance and the Recreance vision was of the future from Honor's POV. The other is that there was the Recreance before the splintering and the vision was of something that the Almighty saw. In this second scenario the epigraph is the voice of a Radiant from after the splintering, so some persisted after the Recreance or it is the "voice" of the spirit of a dead former Radiant. I know nothing, so I just say that the Recreance and the splintering could happen in either order.
AerionBFII he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I still think Amaram was swayed into stealing Kaladins Shardblade and plate by Restares (who seems to be his evil adviser) from what i gathered it was premeditated by the way Kaladin's remaining squad members were already brought into the room before they were killed. If i remember correctly Restares was among the the names Gavilar suspected of hiring Szeth before he found out it was the Parshendi who had sent him.
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