More info on voidbinding!

[Topaz]

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Category:Symbolslook at the link, most of what I have to say only makes sense if you look at the link, most of my info is visual, so just look at the link then read the rest of this post

According to this link, there is a voidish equivalent to the orders. We also know that the voidbringers/listeners were able to switch between forms. So the only conclusion i can think of is that voidbinding is a similar, watered down version of surgebinding.

Sorry for the short theory.

[Moogle]

Your theory seems to be thinking along the right lines, according to what we know! Much like Mistborn's metals, Surges seem to act as the fundamental parts of the main systems on Roshar.
 

Brandon Sanderson
[...]
So what do I mean by twenty or thirty magic systems in Kings?  Hard to say, as I don't want to give spoilers.  I have groupings of abilities that have to deal with a certain theme.  Transformation, Travel, Pressure and Gravity, that sort of thing.  By one way of counting, there are thirty of these—though by another way of grouping them together, there are closer to ten.
(source)

 

rags
You have told us there are more than 30 magical systems on Roshar. I am assuming there are 10 surgebindings and 10 voidbindings. Do the next 10 belong to another such classification? If yes, can you give us the name for it.

Brandon Sanderson
Fabrials are part of it.
(source)

[Eagle of the Forest Path he/him]

The void-glyphs use point reflection whereas the surge-glyphs use reflection through an axis.

I doubt this suggests watered down versions of Radiant surges.

I think more along the lines of similar surges, but warped somehow. With one aspect of the surge inverted.

 

Nice find BTW.

[Yata he/him]

Mmm I have a doubt about this:

We saw at least one Form of Power, the StormForm. Therefore using the "corrupted surge" theory, what kind of "corrupted surge" Did a Listener gain through Stomform ?

[Argent he/him]

Here's a theory of mine that covers some of the ideas in this thread. I believe it was at least partially disproved (there isn't a one-to-one mapping between Orders and Voidforms), but I am onto something. 

[Blightsong he/him]

Mmm I have a doubt about this:

We saw at least one Form of Power, the StormForm. Therefore using the "corrupted surge" theory, what kind of "corrupted surge" Did a Listener gain through Stomform ?

I think the wob that if you count the magic on that one way there are 10, because of the surges, but if you cont it another way there are 30 some magic states because of the different ways the surges are used.

[Moogle]

We saw at least one Form of Power, the StormForm. Therefore using the "corrupted surge" theory, what kind of "corrupted surge" Did a Listener gain through Stomform ?

 

I do not think that what the listeners do is Voidbinding. It's just what listeners do, but now with Odium's Investiture. Voidbinding is something else with "ten levels", and was apparently an art humans could do. (Hence the Vorin taboo against seeing the future.)

[DreamEternal]

Are we sure those were void-glyphs? Why do most people assune that is the voidbinding chart?

[Argent he/him]

Because nothing else makes sense. We definitely don't have enough information though, so it could end up being wrong.

[DreamEternal]

Because nothing else makes sense. We definitely don't have enough information though, so it could end up being wrong.

The Ars Arcanum and multiple WoBs imply there is another system besides surgebinding and voidbinding, and the fact the symbols seem so similar to the ones in the KR chart and there is a woman in the borders were the Heralds used to be makes me think it is a chart aligned to Cultivation.

[Moogle]

The Ars Arcanum and multiple WoBs imply there is another system besides surgebinding and voidbinding, and the fact the symbols seem so similar to the ones in the KR chart and there is a woman in the borders were the Heralds used to be makes me think it is a chart aligned to Cultivation.

 

Surgebinding is of Cultivation, so nothing says Voidbinding can't be as well. The chart uses the same purple as the maps of Shadesmar, so it seems like there might be a link there...

[DreamEternal]

Surgebinding is of Cultivation, so nothing says Voidbinding can't be as well. The chart uses the same purple as the maps of Shadesmar, so it seems like there might be a link there...

And nothing says the mysterious third system isn't of Cultivation. I want to know why almost everyone here thinks it is the voidbinding chart.

[Moogle]

And nothing says the mysterious third system isn't of Cultivation. I want to know why almost everyone here thinks it is the voidbinding chart.

 

Can't help you there. I think it's premature to say anything for sure. I lean towards it being the fabrial system, personally - the Vorin safehand on the woman along the borders means it's likely holy in some way, and the big red gem implies fabrials to me.

[WeiryWriter he/him]

Yeah I would not put much stock in those being called "void-glyphs", since that is by no means a canon name for them.  They are only refered to that way on the wiki because I needed something to call them when I was uploading them.

[Ari he/him]

Yep... in fact probably a better name for them is rotated glyphs, as they rely on rotational symmetry rather than reflective symmetry.

 

We really don't have any good basis on which to speculate what those glyphs represent.

[Topaz]

The void-glyphs use point reflection whereas the surge-glyphs use reflection through an axis.

I doubt this suggests watered down versions of Radiant surges.

I think more along the lines of similar surges, but warped somehow. With one aspect of the surge inverted.

Nice find BTW.

I was suggesting that since the voidbringers are able to switch between spreen, and are therefore probably able to switch surges, so to keep a balance, the powers would be watered down

I do like the idea of a warped surge, and I think the two ideas could mix. Imagine a less-powerful lightweaving but instead of creating illusions, the power would be to remove light