natc Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Yeah, I feel like it's been asked before this book came out. Whether someone can be spiked by a gunshot if you somehow managed to hit perfectly. Is anyone here able to confirm my sanity? It'd be amusing if the WoB existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signspace13 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 We also have to consider that the one being spiked in this case was a kandra, I would think there bodies have a much looser set of hemalurgic bind points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Here you go (second one): http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4337-hemalurgy-is-cosmere-universal-absolute-confirmation/ I had to spend a lot of time looking for it a few days back... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4323-seattle-signing-report-out-101413/page-5#entry68265 Q: If you shot Miles with pewter bullets through the heart, would the bullets become hemalurgically charged and remove Miles’s bloodmaking ability? A: Umm, you would have to get them in exactly the right place. Q: Oh, so it’s more than just the heart, it’s got to be the right place in the heart? A: Well, you have to, it’s like acupuncture. A hemalurgic spike has to be specifically placed. Q: Well, I don’t mean for placement. I just mean for making Miles a donor. A: You could hemalurgically steal Miles’s power. Q: With pewter bullets? A: I don’t know that bullets would work. But they might. How about this, it is theoretically possible to do what you just described. If you knew what you were doing, because intention is part of a lot of the magic system. Intention is involved. It’s tricky because Ruin did it to people who didn’t know what they were doing, but… Q: But, Ruin intended to do it, though. A: But, Ruin intended to do it and knows how to manipulate it so that intentions would happen. Intention is very important, if you read through the magics, to a lot of them. Q: It is part of the cognitive aspect. A: Yes. EDIT: Ninja'd, I found it by finding an old conversation where ironically enough both Moogle and I were looking for it Edited October 16, 2015 by Voidus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 The case has been made elsewhere that, like a bad alloy, an improperly placed (but charged) spike won't give you any benefit, but will technically be considered "a spike" for the purpose of things like taking over someone's body. So the quote might be talking about the difficulties of placing a spike and have it actually provide benefit; just piercing a person's body anywhere with a charged spike might apply the affects of "hemalurgy" to someone's spiritweb (i.e., The Flaw) even if it's not done in such a way to grant a power. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinxer Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 The case has been made elsewhere that, like a bad alloy, an improperly placed (but charged) spike won't give you any benefit, but will technically be considered "a spike" for the purpose of things like taking over someone's body. So the quote might be talking about the difficulties of placing a spike and have it actually provide benefit; just piercing a person's body anywhere with a charged spike might apply the affects of "hemalurgy" to someone's spiritweb (i.e., The Flaw) even if it's not done in such a way to grant a power. Oh, that's terrifying. A knowledgeable, dedicated sadist could slowly drive an entire community mad without killing a single person or gaining any powers whatsoever... Assuming this is true, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Oh, that's terrifying. A knowledgeable, dedicated sadist could slowly drive an entire community mad without killing a single person or gaining any powers whatsoever... Assuming this is true, of course. Well you'd need to kill some people to make the spikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinxer Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Well you'd need to kill some people to make the spikes. Well, if you can place a spike anywhere with negligible granting effect, presumably that would work with stealing as well. So you could slowly rip apart people's souls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Well, if you can place a spike anywhere with negligible granting effect, presumably that would work with stealing as well. So you could slowly rip apart people's souls... Well stealing is almost always lethal plus given that certain metals can only steal certain things I think you really do need to be precise when stealing a trait, otherwise the piece of spiritweb you shoot it through just won't stick to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinxer Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Well stealing is almost always lethal plus given that certain metals can only steal certain things I think you really do need to be precise when stealing a trait, otherwise the piece of spiritweb you shoot it through just won't stick to it. That's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Side theory: This restriction is not true on Roshar and so every time a warrior gets stabbed with a piece of metal he gets crazier and crazier, eventually leading to the Thrill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinxer Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Side theory: This restriction is not true on Roshar and so every time a warrior gets stabbed with a piece of metal he gets crazier and crazier, eventually leading to the Thrill. Also, they don't require Intent or a specific alloy or even knowledge of Scadrial... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Also, they don't require Intent or a specific alloy or even knowledge of Scadrial... Yeah well you see the thing about that is the... cognitive... thing... changes with the... *mumble mumble* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Side theory: This restriction is not true on Roshar and so every time a warrior gets stabbed with a piece of metal he gets crazier and crazier, eventually leading to the Thrill. I...never thought about the Thrill being related to Hemalurgy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmium Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I...never thought about the Thrill being related to Hemalurgy... While possible, it seems unlikely. Seems much more likely that it's a subtle influencing of Odium or somesuch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I...never thought about the Thrill being related to Hemalurgy... Suffice it to say: "It's not." Stormlight spoilers: A voidspren did it. Name of "Nergaoul." Not to be confused with "Moelach" who causes people to prophesy a few seconds before they kick the bucket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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