KnightGradient Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Q: Has Hoid ever visited the planet Braize?A: [sing-song, delighted] RAFO. Such a big RAFO! The biggest RAFO! I am sorry if someone else has suggested this before. But I can't help but think, "Why is it so important if Hoid visited Braize?" Then I started thinking, "Is that because Yolen and Braize are the same?" My only proofs are speculation, and the fact that Adolnasium had created spren on Roshar before the Shattering, and that life could not develop naturally on Roshar, since the star in that system is too young. If anyone could ask Brandon if A. "Is Yolen still around in the Cosmere?" or B. "Is Yolen Braize?" That would be really neat. Thanks for reading my crackpot theory. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I'd think whether or not someone has been to the planet that's essentially Hell where the incarnation of divine hatred currently resides is an important fact in and of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 It isn't a 100% sure prove but Brandon stated that the Shardworld have its own name from before the Shattering. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstSelector Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I suspect that Yolen and Braize are distinct for several reasons. First, the Ars Arcanum author (almost certainly Khriss) references Yolish lightweaving in the WoR Ars Arcanum. Given that she is travelling world-to-world to collect information on the magic systems, I imagine she travelled to Yolen directly as opposed to being taught it by, say, Hoid. Second, the first Letter was almost assuredly written by Hoid, and its recipient is (again, with very high probability) a Yolish native. The recipient refers to Rayze being bound in "that system," meaning Greater Roshar, and I take that to mean that Yolen is not in the system. For reference, there is good evidence to support the theory that mankind was created on Braize by Honor and Cultivation, while Roshar was Adonalsium's little experimental planet. Odium showed up and forced them off the planet. Thus, if Hoid had visited Braize before Odium took over, it would be a very important point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I suspect that Yolen and Braize are distinct for several reasons. First, the Ars Arcanum author (almost certainly Khriss) references Yolish lightweaving in the WoR Ars Arcanum. Given that she is travelling world-to-world to collect information on the magic systems, I imagine she travelled to Yolen directly as opposed to being taught it by, say, Hoid. Second, the first Letter was almost assuredly written by Hoid, and its recipient is (again, with very high probability) a Yolish native. The recipient refers to Rayze being bound in "that system," meaning Greater Roshar, and I take that to mean that Yolen is not in the system. For reference, there is good evidence to support the theory that mankind was created on Braize by Honor and Cultivation, while Roshar was Adonalsium's little experimental planet. Odium showed up and forced them off the planet. Thus, if Hoid had visited Braize before Odium took over, it would be a very important point. I think at the same way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) If anyone could ask Brandon if A. "Is Yolen still around in the Cosmere?" or B. "Is Yolen Braize?" That would be really neat. Thanks for reading my crackpot theory. A couple of things regarding this question. Per WoB we know that Frost is from Yolen, we also know that he is NOT a worldhopper. As of the Stormlight Archive he is alive and therefore Yolen is still around. Relevant WoB: Q: Third, what non-worldhopper character we've seen so far is the most cosmere-savy?A: Frost or Sazed, most likely Edited September 10, 2015 by Iron Eyes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Heh yeah, I can't imagine Frost referring to Odium being contained if they were on the same world. He'd be interfering the heck out of things if he had Odium for a neighbour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 A couple of things regarding this question. Per WoB we know that Frost is from Yolen, we also know that he is NOT a worldhopper. As of the Stormlight Archive he is alive and therefore Yolen is still around. Relevant WoB: Just a thought. If a creature change shardworld once (for example together with many other in a Exodus). Could he be called WorldHopper ? If the answer is NO. It could be that Forst is Yolish (sure) but He/She/It now in another Shardword. With this I'm not saying that Yolen and Braize is the same planet. I don't think this quite for sure. Just to not take to much meaning from the WoB. He could choose the word very carefull to be misinterpreted ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 It's possible that Yolen was renamed. SH Spoiler: In Mistborn: SH Khriss says she has not been able to find Yolen yet. She thinks it is shrouded or hidden. It may be that a shard is making it hard to find Yolen or it could mean that Yolen is a planet known by another name and almost no one, but the Shards, Frost and Hoid know where it is. Doesn't prove Yolen = Braize, but the idea that Yolen is a renamed planet is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Hoid does state he came to Roshar to find an old acquaintance. Roshar (The Stormlight Archive) “ I've come to your land to chase an old acquaintance, but I end up spending most of my time hiding from him instead. ” — Hoid to Kaladin.[32] His use of the word "chase" is odd because per Frost Odium is stuck in the Roshar system and according to the WoB posted previously Frost has never hopped between worlds. Not much need to chase someone who hasn't changed locations in thousands of years. Odium makes a lot of sense for Hoid to hide from, but I don't think Hoid actually wants to confront Odium right now. We know from the letter in WoK (assuming it is from Hoid to Frost) that Hoid wants Frost to become active in the fight against Odium. From the letter we know the 17th Shard is chasing Hoid and Hoid asks Frost to call them off. So we know Hoid has a reason for "chasing" Frost and we know he has had to hide from Frost's associates. If Hoid came to the Roshar system to recruit Frost then Frost is likely in the system. Yolen might also be in the system under a different name. We don't have that final piece that connects Yolen to Braize. It seems really weird that Frost would hang out on a planet that Odium occupies though. Edited September 1, 2016 by Child of Hodor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 No need to necro this thread, especially since it has mostly been debunked in more recent threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Child of Hodor Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Doesn't your quote of "Brandon defined a worldhopper as someone who has been to another world" suggest that Frost is still on Yolen? If Hoid came to the Roshar system to get in touch with Frost as I suggest above in my post above, which we don't know either way, and Frost is on Yolen then Yolen is in the Roshar system. Frost told Hoid to "leave that place" which could mean the planet Roshar it doesn't necessarily mean Frost isn't on Braize. The phrase "System he now inhabits" doesn't really indicate whether Frost and Odium are in the same system or not. It seem intentionally vague, which is how Brandon might word it if he is trying to keep a secret. Nothing in the thread you linked debunks the idea that Yolen goes by a different name now or that Frost is in the Roshar system or that Yolen could be in the Roshar system or that Yolen could be Braize. Please have Chaos lock all threads you deem unnecessary so that you don't have to tell everyone not to post. Will save everyone time ultimately. Thanks so much!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) From the site rules (emphasis added). Quote On that same note, don't bring back topics that have been dead forever. This is called thread necromancy (or simply "necroing"). If after a long time you post something new in a topic--one whose discussion has long since ended--that would be thread necroing. And if you read that more recent thread all the way through, you would see that the conclusion was Braize cannot be Yolen. 1 hour ago, Child of Hodor said: Nothing in the thread you linked debunks the idea that Yolen goes by a different name now or that Frost is in the Roshar system or that Yolen could be in the Roshar system or that Yolen could be Braize. If Frost never left Yolen then he would know that he is still on Yolen. What Frost and Hoid say in the letters makes no sense if Braize == Yolen. Which was discussed in that thread. Edited September 1, 2016 by Argel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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