sanderfuss he/him Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Do we think Tarborlan's cloak of no particular colour was a Shadow cloak made for him by felurian perhaps? Are we all going for mr Ash being Cinder? Denna's first song was convieniently showing Lanre as a hero not a traitor. Although a part of me at some point thought it may have been Ambrose only because of the references to him being a good dancer, and he likes to beat women. We're all confident the Kwothe has Lackless blood but with the splinters of names through the ages could Chronicler be a distant relative also?
sanderfuss he/him Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 ok, so I never got involved in Pat's book's like I have with Brandon's. I've never trolled forums, looking for clues, and espousing ideas. Other than religiously reading Pat's blog (and highly recommending his books to anyone who will listen) I have had no interaction with his works other than his books, which I have read numerous times. This post officially changes that. For Kvothes mother, I fully agree that she is Natalia Lackless, and there are some other clues that point to that that haven't been brought up here, but that's not what I want to talk about. I want to talk about the king that Kvothe kills. I want to postulate that the king Kvothe kills is....... Ambrose. Think about it, when Kvothe first meets Ambrose, Ambrose is about 24 positions away from the throne. By the end of book 2 he is about 14 positions away. I think that the king Kvothe kills with such fury that it shattered the flagstones such that they can't be repaired is Ambrose. Thoughts? Comments? Would you not say that the current King could be Ambrose? Which could explain the huge bounty on Kvothe's head? 1
Left he/him Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I quite enjoyed the slow regard for silent things. Yeah, it was different, but it was very nice and the different was good.
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I read TSRfST and thought it was pretty 'meh'. But that's purely because I'm not really into that style. I'm currently re-reading Wise man's Fear and I'm curious as to why Patrick stopped using Kote about halfway through the book for the inn scenes and instead uses Kvothe. 1
Argent he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Foreshadowing, hopefully Kvothe did get pretty caught up in the story.
sanderfuss he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I read TSRfST and thought it was pretty 'meh'. But that's purely because I'm not really into that style. I'm currently re-reading Wise man's Fear and I'm curious as to why Patrick stopped using Kote about halfway through the book for the inn scenes and instead uses Kvothe. I know what you mean. We've been led to believe by Pat that names are important, so important infact the 'Kote' can't function in the same way as Kvothe because he changed his name. And when the Bandits/soldiers threaten to rob the inn, Pat writes that 'Kvothe' makes his way around to them but yet still gets his chull kicked. But generally I think Pat used the name Kvothe later because there was nobody in the inn itself that knew him as Kote. Ie: villagers and such. It was just Bast and chronicler. Or strangers.
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 I know what you mean. We've been led to believe by Pat that names are important, so important infact the 'Kote' can't function in the same way as Kvothe because he changed his name. And when the Bandits/soldiers threaten to rob the inn, Pat writes that 'Kvothe' makes his way around to them but yet still gets his chull kicked. But generally I think Pat used the name Kvothe later because there was nobody in the inn itself that knew him as Kote. Ie: villagers and such. It was just Bast and chronicler. Or strangers. I don't think that works. Before when they were alone Pat would write "Kote did this or that" but then he suddenly starts randomly calling him Kvothe in those parts. If it had been Bast or The Chronicler calling him Kvothe it would be fine but its not. Its Pat saying Kvothe is doing this when for the last book and a half it's been Kote or the Innkeeper. It could be what you say I just think that it is a little random is all. Kote mentions that he will tell the truth about some princess, I think her name is Ariel(?), I would be able to check but my niece has my book. When I read that my instant thought was that that person was Auri. Thoughts?
sanderfuss he/him Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Maybe it's a it's a deliberate sign to let us know he's feeling more like his old self the more he tells the story. It's certainly Basts hope that this be the case. Quite a lot of readers are down playing Auri's role with in the story because she wasn't in the original script when Pat first came up with the story. I don't think this means anything. If he's added her it's for good reason. Maybe he found a better way of getting to a certain point with in the story. I think Auri could have major part to play. The fact she was added to the story later makes me think this even more. I don't think she was added just to fill pages. 1
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Huh. I didn't know she wasn't part of the book originally. Yea I doubt that Pat the slow would add a character without them playing some important part.
sanderfuss he/him Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 I would recommend reading this forum from the start if you haven't already. It's of interesting insights.
Veczlen he/him Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 I love his books but I wish he didn't take so long to write. I guess not everyone is capable of what Mr. Sanderson does.
GreyPilgrim he/him Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 This is sort of a tangent, but related to Pat's slow writing speed. One thing I've always wondered about is how financially successful/stable Pat is compared to Brandon. Not including his not-for-kids picture books, Pat only has three major books selling on the market, released over the last 8 years now. By comparison, counting WoT books and excluding minor eBooks and Alcatraz books (because I'm pretty sure those aren't huge sellers), Brandon has sixteen books released over 10 years. Therefore, Brandon must be sitting on a lot more money than Pat, and if that's the case, how stable is Pat really? Or is it like a few books selling very well on the mass market is generally enough to sustain one and Brandon is doing more than fine? Do publishers give writers pay checks to maintain them above their book royalties? 2
Frosted Flakes Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I have a sad, sad theory that the Doors of Stone is going to be a very disappointing read. Think about it. The running theme of the Kingkiller Chronicles is the reality behind the story. And real life doesn't work out like stories do. I think Doors of Stone will have a very appropriate ending, but I don't think that all mysteries will be revealed and all loose ends tied up. I don't think Kvothe will live happily ever after, but I also don't think he'll have a grand, tragic ending. I think Rothfuss senses that his final book in Kingkiller Chronicles will be underwhelming. I think he's trying to squeeze in other books while his popularity is at a peak; he's certainly obsessed with his Worldbuilders charity. There's nothing wrong with charity, of course, but he devotes nearly every waking moment for 2-3 months a year to this charity. He raises massive amounts of money for it, as well. I honestly believe this charity is more of a passion to him than his books. I would be shocked if he hasn't considered the possibility that after he concludes Kvothes tale, his relevance will fade and he will not be able to raise as much money. An alternative theory is that he wants to get his next book locked down before he finishes Book Three. That way, when he finishes Kingkiller Chronicles, he can immediately market his next novel and keep people interested which, in turn, keeps people donating. Now, I really hope I'm not coming across as whiny. That is not my intention. I simultaneously believe that Rothfuss doesn't owe me a thing and that I have the right to be annoyed that he's taking so long. Taking a long time is fine. It's the amount of energy he pours into everything but his writing that bothers me. But again, I'm pretty sure he said somewhere that writing, to him, was barely one step above a hobby. So here is what I propose: we spike Sanderson's incredible writing work ethic out of him, just for a few months, and give it to Rothfuss. With Sanderson's drive, Rothfuss shouldn't need more than 6-8 weeks to finish Doors of Stone, then we unspike him and give Sanderson his prolificness back. Everybody wins! 2
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 So here is what I propose: we spike Sanderson's incredible writing work ethic out of him, just for a few months, and give it to Rothfuss. With Sanderson's drive, Rothfuss shouldn't need more than 6-8 weeks to finish Doors of Stone, then we unspike him and give Sanderson his prolificness back. Everybody wins! No.
Frosted Flakes Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 No. You're right, of course.The correct course of action is to painfully await the end of Kingkiller Chronicles and finish it, then refuse to read another book Rothfuss writes until he finishes the last book in the new series.
Dunkum he/him Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 we can spike someone who writes much worse, but quickly. maybe like clive cussler or tom clancy or one of those other bestseller writers that generate like 3 books a year. granted I'm sure some of them use ghostwriters, but surely we can find one that produces a significant quantity of their own material. and since we only want writing speed, the quality doesn't matter, except that we won't miss them if they are gone. 2
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Or better idea. We leave others out of it and kidnap Patrick and all of his family, grand-parents down on both sides should be sufficient, take them to a random location and give Patrick a type writer, we wouldn't want him contacting anyone now would we? We then tell him he has 6 months to finish the book, after that we start flaying a family member a week, except the children below the age of 10, we'll just shoot them ( can't not kill them because that would be unfair to the others ), in front of all of them. That should be sufficient motivation for him to finish the books. Might affect quality but I'm willing to live with that if you are. 2
sanderfuss he/him Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 That last comment was a bit strong!!
Argent he/him Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 Or we could just not discuss Pat's writing speed and focus on how awesome what he writes actually is 4
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 Or we could just not discuss Pat's writing speed and focus on how awesome what he writes actually is Realistically that was a discussion about his quality of writing. Not many author's I'd suggest doing that too. A very muddled compliment but a compliment none the less.
Two McMillion he/him Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 I say let Pat take as long as he needs. More time means better work. I think Sanderson would be better if he took longer to write. Yes, I said it. Brandon is all about monatization. Pat is much more artistically focused. 1
Windrunner he/him Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 I say let Pat take as long as he needs. More time means better work. I think Sanderson would be better if he took longer to write. Yes, I said it. Brandon is all about monatization. Pat is much more artistically focused. O.o Perhaps, I've misunderstood you, but are you saying that Brandon's primary focus is making money off of novels rather than telling stories? The man who put a free pdf of a book on his website so anyone could try out his style of work and not have to spend any money on it if they didn't like it? The guy who has said that even if he never sold a book in his life, he would write until the day he died because he loves it so much? The man, who the very first time I met him, paid for half my dinner because the con had given him more per diem than he thought he needed? I don't claim to know Brandon like Josh or Mi'ch do, but I do know that this is not a man who grubs for money or would be willing to churn our work he felt sub par for a quick buck. I personally read Rothfuss and Brandon for different things. Pat's books have prose I enjoy and a slower and more thoughtful narrative. Brandon's books intentionally don't really focus on prose, but also contain more action and characters I tend to like more than Pat's. I've also never screamed out loud and pumped my fist in excitement during the Kingkiller Chronicle, but maybe that's just me... I don't think it's so much a question of quality as it is a stylistic choice, but I'm sure there are plenty out there who'd disagree with me. 7
sanderfuss he/him Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 It would seem a nerve has been struck. This forum is bound to be spilt with people who know Brandon better than others. It's human nature for people to form opinions just based on what they know. Maybe they shouldn't but we all do. I'm glad someone jumped to the defence of Brandon but it's bad form to off handedly berate someone using information that isn't widely known, ie your own personal experience with Brandon. That being said I do completely disagree with Two McMillion, and think everything you said of Brandon's and Pats style is spot on. I love them both.
Argent he/him Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 but it's bad form to off handedly berate someone using information that isn't widely known, ie your own personal experience with Brandon. About as much as it is to point fingers and claim you know one's motives (e.g. "monetization" - which somehow became a dirty word when I wasn't looking) when you don't. In fact, you could argue that defending Brandon with a personal anecdote (and I will remind you that the dinner story is not the only argument Windrunner provided) and accusing him of monetization are the two sides of exactly the same offense - lack of information. So the end of the day, the best policy is Wheaton's Law. Otherwise I would be murdering George Martin all day long... 1
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now