kehlers he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I have been doing research all over the place, including this forum and can't find the answer. My thought is that as of right now... pre-book 3, we do not know how she got the blade. Is it a shardblade though? It didn't scream while in Kaladins hand while they were in the Chasms... and then she uses pattern as a blade as if he was a key for the Oathgate? Was she using a different blade? Is Pattern the blade she calls for? If so why does she have to wait 10 seconds.. Kaladin can summon his blade immediately due to Syl? Can someone please help me understand?! lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unodus he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Um... incase you were unaware... Pattern is Shallans Shardblade, they are one and the same Kaladin uses Syl as a shardblade/shardspear/etc, remember? Shallan just did the same with her spren :V Essentially, shardblades are technically dead spren, they were left behind when the Knight Radiants broke their oaths (which kills them). When a Shardblade is summoned, it brings the spren "back to life"ish, hence why Radiants hear screaming when they touch a shardblade. Edited August 26, 2015 by Unodus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mestiv he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Pattern was Shalan's blade all the time. Now, for some questions: Is it a shardblade? Yes it is, and a living one too! It didn't scream - because it was living spren - Pattern. Was she using a different blade? No. Is Pattern the blade she calls for? Yes. Why does she have to wait 10 seconds? That's a bit complicated. She suppressed her memories of Pattern because they were traumatic to her. She believed she needed 10 seconds, when she actually didn't. However, because of her beliefs the blade appeared not instantly. Kaladin can summon his blade instantly due to Syl? Yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Why does she have to wait 10 seconds? That's a bit complicated. She suppressed her memories of Pattern because they were traumatic to her. She believed she needed 10 seconds, when she actually didn't. However, because of her beliefs the blade appeared not instantly. There's a line when she first summons it on-screen, when she's about to be killed by Tyn. She thinks how she needs ten heartbest, then quietly thinks to herself... but I don't really need them, do I? And then immediately thinks, NO I TOTALLY NEED TIME MY SHARDBLADE ISN'T DIFFERENT. A clue that the ten heartbeats are a self-imposed rule. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehlers he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 You guys rock! Thanks for the answers... I need to re-read these two books.. its only been a month since I finished them.. but I'm sure i'll be paying closer attention this time! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 My first time through the books was tough. Everything is so alien and it was a lot of information to process. My second read of the books had a TON of stuff I missed the first time, and even my third read revealed a great many details I missed, or cleared up things I was unsure about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Not commenting on the content itself, but your title is very spoiler-y to those who haven't read the books. We get a lot of new Sanderfans who haven't read Stormlight, so it's best to keep topic titles themselves free of spoilers for their sake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansalem Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm going through my 4th read right now and I'm still picking up new things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) My first time through the books was tough. Everything is so alien and it was a lot of information to process. My second read of the books had a TON of stuff I missed the first time, and even my third read revealed a great many details I missed, or cleared up things I was unsure about. Completely agreed. Shallan's shardblade was something I caught very early in my first read of WoK, but there were several other things I missed on my first readthrough (Demoux/Galladon/Baon, Most of the Herald cameos, etc. )Most of Sanderson's books are like that. And if you have read the Wheel of Time that may be the most extreme case of this... I have read that whole series 3 times now and I keep finding new things (typically it is immaculately placed foreshadowing). Edited August 26, 2015 by Iron Eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobar14 he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Non-Radiants need 10 heartbeats to summon a dead spren shard blade. Radiants can summon their live spren blades instantly. She just thinks she needs 10 heartbeats. The mind is a powerful tool...dun dun dun. This is a good example of how pre-conceived conceptions can affect the magic systems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageHead he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Why does she have to wait 10 seconds? That's a bit complicated. She suppressed her memories of Pattern because they were traumatic to her. She believed she needed 10 seconds, when she actually didn't. However, because of her beliefs the blade appeared not instantly. Kaladin can summon his blade instantly due to Syl? Yes. There's a line when she first summons it on-screen, when she's about to be killed by Tyn. She thinks how she needs ten heartbest, then quietly thinks to herself... but I don't really need them, do I? And then immediately thinks, NO I TOTALLY NEED TIME MY SHARDBLADE ISN'T DIFFERENT. A clue that the ten heartbeats are a self-imposed rule. When she summons her blade at the end of WoR to operate the portal to Urithiru, under pressure, she seems to instinctively summon it immediately. So yes, the 10 heartbeat rule that applies to non-Radiants seems to only apply to her when she believes it and is actively thinking about it. Edit: The reason Kaladin is seen almost instantly understanding the capabilities of his Shard weapon (I won't call it a "Blade" because he quickly grew past that) compared to Shallan, is likely twofold. First, he doesn't have repressed memories that he finds horrifying concerning his. Second, Kaladin is a natural born soldier, seasoned in the arts of war and has taken many more lives than he remembers by the time he first summons Sylphrena as a weapon. Shallan has lived a sheltered life, and is an artist & scholar. She has killed 3 times in her life; her father deliberately, by conventional means, while she cried and sang to him, and twice with her blade, almost involuntarily, out of panicked self preservational desperation. Edited August 26, 2015 by CabbageHead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I took it a little differently... that moment was her moment of revelation. She says aloud, because there's something wrong with your Shardblade. There's something wrong with everyone's Shardblade... except for mine. And she summons him. She's finally grown enough to begin to acknowledge that her Shardblade is different. And that's why she calls him instantly, without waiting. If she weren't finally acknowledging that her Blade wasn't just any Blade, there would have been no need to summon it and try to operate the Oathgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm changing the topic title to something a bit less spoilery 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humpty he/him Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 If you guys haven't ever listen to the audiobook version you should. The Male voice actor is amazing its even better on audiobook then reading it. It probably sounds dumb to most of you guys but I wouldn't joke about these things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 It's my, like 20th reread of WoR, and I noticed on my 17th reread, Oh that's why people keep saying Galladon is in Words of Radiance! He isn't. He was in Way of Kings though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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