Edgedancer he/him Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) So we're taking some artistic license with the setting. We've still made one Calamity of a good story so far, so I don't see any need to fret over it. Oh, nothing to fret over indeed. We pretty much went into this part knowing we are taking liberties. I'll pay you not to do that in pony comics and weird dreams, alt!Firefight! My headcanon is that they're all too awed by Vondra's awesomeness to do anything too terrible. I am certain that even in an alternative universe Frefight would be pleased. Edited July 30, 2015 by Edgedancer
FireSlayer she/her Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Another thing I noticed is that FireSlayer refered to Skylar as the receptionist, so did you figure out her role in the city proper then? Yes, she's--well--the receptionist. Sort of a glorified secretary, if I'm remembering rightly. And she's already had two whole lines of dialogue. (Not counting McKeedee's ones which are still rather in-character, especially "ninja pandas," despite being written before Skylar Nesbit was a real entity.) Edited July 30, 2015 by FireSlayer
Curious Anamaximder he/him Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 I too don't know what Bens are... The character is OK, since there is a river in town, he'll be able to use his powers quite freely. Will he have fish scales anywhere? 2000 liters is not THAT generous I guess... If I get it right that's a cuboid with dimensions: 2 meters x 1 meter x 1 meter... That's close to a huge bathtub really (2000 liters is 2000 cubic decimeters -> 20 dm x 10 dm x 10dm and 10dm is 1m) Also, can he make water fly in the air without contact with the ground? Bens is a disease that duvers get. The trident materializes. He can make water fly. What is the Bens? Does the trident somehow fly into his hnd or materialize? How how strongly enhanced physical skil are we talking about? Twice as strong as a fit human.
Voidus Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 On alt Firefight, given that he's from several different universes with Firefight picking out the one she wants it's possible that they all do use their hidden powers just never the one that Firefight uses at that moment. 1
Mailliw73 he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 He's in Thoughttown with Panacea, who also kind of got the short stick of Twi's attention. Yeah, most the Thoughttown Epics did. But, unless someone really wants to write a post for their character, I don't think any of them need one until morning. Who do I Alan to get access to the map? Blaze, Mestiv, or I, if you haven't already gotten access.
Mestiv he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Apprentice/Prodigy/Protege (No Decision) : an Epic who can absorb the skill sets of other people through touch. Thoughts? Does that include Epic abilities? Or just like the knowledge of a foreign language or ability to do a kick-flip with a skateboard? Does it include knowledge or just muscle memory of how to do something? If this guy absorbs my ability to do a kick-flip can I still do a kick-flip? Does it work temporarily or permanently? Can he give those skill back or to someone else? 1
Curious Anamaximder he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Does that include Epic abilities? Or just like the knowledge of a foreign language or ability to do a kick-flip with a skateboard? Does it include knowledge or just muscle memory of how to do something? If this guy absorbs my ability to do a kick-flip can I still do a kick-flip? Does it work temporarily or permanently? Can he give those skill back or to someone else? You just took all of my questions! Storms!
Voidus Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 You just took all of my questions! Storms! Quick take some of Edgedancers!
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Quick take some of Edgedancers! Sure go and put the pressure on me. Apprentice/Prodigy/Protege (No Decision) : an Epic who can absorb the skill sets of other people through touch. Thoughts? Anyway, Mestiv go the important stuff, what quallifies as a skill and what exactly does absorb encompass and under which conditions (does he need to know someone has that skill, see them do it, touch them ect.) Is it more the Taskmaster or Dito kind of copying that kind of stuff. Given that I've just been challenged to dig deeper I guess I also have to ask about what happens if he copies a skill he doesn't really have the physique to do. Sure, atheletes do need skill but if a random person were, for example, to throw a punch just like a master martial artists their muscles just wouldn't be able to keep up. Completely unrelated topic but would anyone mind an probalby semi-incoherent rant about how much the stars aligned themselves for Megan, that's kind of been building up in my head?
Voidus Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Also I just noticed Kobold's hit 19000 rep, not content with reaching the reputation cap before everyone else he now has to double it before anyone other than Twi can catch up.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 31, 2015 Author Posted July 31, 2015 Sure go and put the pressure on me. Anyway, Mestiv go the important stuff, what quallifies as a skill and what exactly does absorb encompass and under which conditions (does he need to know someone has that skill, see them do it, touch them ect.) Is it more the Taskmaster or Dito kind of copying that kind of stuff. Given that I've just been challenged to dig deeper I guess I also have to ask about what happens if he copies a skill he doesn't really have the physique to do. Sure, atheletes do need skill but if a random person were, for example, to throw a punch just like a master martial artists their muscles just wouldn't be able to keep up. Completely unrelated topic but would anyone mind an probalby semi-incoherent rant about how much the stars aligned themselves for Megan, that's kind of been building up in my head? Well, you just stole most of mine; knowledge of a skill doesn't translate to the skill itself, really. He might need to begin with simple tasks and work his way up to absorbing knowledge of more complex things, but then why not just learn it on his own? I wouldn't mind at all.
Kobold King he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Also I just noticed Kobold's hit 19000 rep, not content with reaching the reputation cap before everyone else he now has to double it before anyone other than Twi can catch up. Don't hate me 'cuz I'm funny. Don't hate me 'cuz I'm beautiful. You should hate me because I have a way worse work ethic than you and I slack off posting jokes instead of doing anything productive. 1
Voidus Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Don't hate me 'cuz I'm funny. Don't hate me 'cuz I'm beautiful. You should hate me because I have a way worse work ethic than you and I slack off posting jokes instead of doing anything productive. Well if you count creating thousands of Epics, most of whom will never see a single post as productive then I'm the most productive person I know 3
Kobold King he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Well if you count creating thousands of Epics, most of whom will never see a single post as productive then I'm the most productive person I know I get the feeling that if you got an upvote for every individual Epic in your vault, you'd have left Twi and I in the dust a long time ago.
Voidus Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 I get the feeling that if you got an upvote for every individual Epic in your vault, you'd have left Twi and I in the dust a long time ago. It's hard to tell, I try to keep descriptions to a single line and if I have an idea for a backstory it goes in a separate doc but some inevitably go into two or three lines. But yeah, there are a lot. Although I'm going to be a hobbyist game developer so plenty of character ideas with a little tweaking if they never get used for anything else 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Well, you just stole most of mine; knowledge of a skill doesn't translate to the skill itself, really. He might need to begin with simple tasks and work his way up to absorbing knowledge of more complex things, but then why not just learn it on his own? I wouldn't mind at all. In that case, here I go Disclaimer: rambling may be not fully thought out, spoil both books and does not mean I don't like her character. Where do I start? How about the obvious stuff, her powers are, as far as illusions and the like go, rather useful and effective given they can't be detected as false on point of tecnically not being false, if a bit restriced (although I do wonder if she could look for example in a parallel universe notebook in which Prof or another Epic decided to write his weakness, because sparks that would be op), yet still cause barely any corruption. Even more she gets the benefits of a perfect PI and a supermode that lets her save the day (even though she didn't know where to go) to the point she could hold her own against Prof, who is a runner up for the position of most powerful Epic. Let's move on to her involvment with the Newcago government. Somehow Steelheart decides to let a teenage girl into his inner cicrle and be his bodyguard. As I mentioned before, I can see him not wanting a real bodyguard that could backstab him, yet it seems to me that having to fake Firefight is more trouble than it's worth. Then Steelheart somehow decides that this bodyguard he still decided he needs, even though all the effort that comes with faking it, can just go off infiltarating the Reckoners (granted, a job she is much better suited for) meaning she won't be able to play his body guard for extended periods of time and might get killed by them. To drive the point home how much he apparently depends on her, he takes her with him to his duel with Limelight, even though she is still revocering from her resurrection and as such ought to be more of a liability than help and he obviously wouldn't need a bodyguard in a duel. Next is Prof craddling the idiot ball like it's a baby. First off, there's Prof letting her join his inner circle, which the second books makes clear is not something usual and only goes to very trusted people... and Megan really shouldn't fit that description for two reasons. First off, people in Newcago didn't note (as far as I recall) anything special about Firefight being absent meaing that she couldn't have joined them for a very long time (or somehow managed to regulary sneak back to play her role as Firefight without any of the Reckoners noticing, which would be an idiot ball in and of itself). Second, she really doesn't fit with Pros' worldview about Epics, which she doesn't exactly hide, and that is after she didn't use her powers for a while, logically she would have been even worse when she first joined them. (I thought about something that may have keep her in check better but I couldn't figure something out. Afterall it's not like Steelheart could just have thrown her in a room and threatened to burn her alive if she uses her powers. Not becuase that would be to evil for him but because at this point they aren't suppossed to know about the connection.) Second idot ball is not figuring out she's an Epic. So somehow Prof who worked with Epics together before never figured out you can't gift Epics and it's not like her simply not having a knack with them could be used as an excuse, his gifted power simply wouldn't go to her, which would only make sense if she triggered his weakness and then he wouldn't have let her stick around. We know Pro is paranoid, so why not simply repeat the Drowser test when she isn't looking? We know from the scene when they kipnapped Conflux that the Epics only has to be somewhat close to the device for it to pick the powers up and the thought that an Epic may be able to temper with an electronic device isn't exactly far fetched. Worst case scenario he still could have bluffed in her face. given we are talking about his inner circle here. Then there's Regalia. Somehow, this scheming mastermind, who knows all about corruption and its effect on Epics, never connected the dots between an Epic that went undercover, meaning she didn't use her powers, having a romantic relationship with a vanilla, still avoiding to use her powers and most importantly asking her to take her powers away. Then there's her weakness. Just to make this absolutely clear, being trapped in a house and almost burning alive is absolutely horrible, I do not dispute that in the least. However, an outside accident without malicous intend behind it is much easier to face emotionally than something that is either deep-rooted through years of mistreatment (see Mitosis or Newton) or is connected to you loved ones trying to kill you (Sourcefield) So yes, while still horrible her weakness is a type of weakness that is the easiest to face. Her's hoping I didn't miss anything. Now think about this, some of these points can be defuted or rationalized but think about this: If a single one of all these things did not happen, her role in the climax of Firefight would not have worked. Don't hate me 'cuz I'm funny. Don't hate me 'cuz I'm beautiful. You should hate me because I have a way worse work ethic than you and I slack off posting jokes instead of doing anything productive. Alright, give me a second to get my pitchfork. 3
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 31, 2015 Author Posted July 31, 2015 I love Megan too, but she really did luck out in the weakness department. Compared to other canon Epics, or even compared to some of he traumas we've saddled our characters with, hers is much easier to face. It could have been necessary on a meta level, though, since Sanderson needed an Epic to prove redemption was possible. Plus hers comes at the end of the book as the happy ending, and if her fear had been more like Newton's, it would have been more of a heart-wrenching owning up to the years of mistreatment her parents had put her through, and would have left her an emotional wreck. Not really conducive to a happy ending. Happy in the long run, yes, but not in the immediate aftermath. 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 31, 2015 Author Posted July 31, 2015 Skills do not include Epic abilities. Muscle memory and knowledge are absorbed, but the person they are taken from retains them as well. Physique is not altered to match the new ability. There is no upwards limit to absorbed skill sets. The ability can work on Epics, but only to copy those skills that any normal human could have. So if he copied Backtrack, would he absorb the memories of the past he obtained while using his powers, or would knowledge and skills obtained through power use be excluded?
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 So if he copied Backtrack, would he absorb the memories of the past he obtained while using his powers, or would knowledge and skills obtained through power use be excluded? The better question would be if memories fall under knowledge at all. I love Megan too, but she really did luck out in the weakness department. Compared to other canon Epics, or even compared to some of he traumas we've saddled our characters with, hers is much easier to face. It could have been necessary on a meta level, though, since Sanderson needed an Epic to prove redemption was possible. Plus hers comes at the end of the book as the happy ending, and if her fear had been more like Newton's, it would have been more of a heart-wrenching owning up to the years of mistreatment her parents had put her through, and would have left her an emotional wreck. Not really conducive to a happy ending. Happy in the long run, yes, but not in the immediate aftermath. Of course, all of what I just listed is pretty much needed for the plot, that's why it's bugging me deep down.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 31, 2015 Author Posted July 31, 2015 The better question would be if memories fall under knowledge at all. Of course, all of what I just listed is pretty much needed for the plot, that's why it's bugging me deep down. I think they could, since they all, on some level, store information that can be converted into knowledge and applied to a situation. Oh yeah, I can see that. A lot of Megan's past seems awfully convenient where the plot is concerned—more so than David's past, for sure. I do wonder how the books would have changed had David fallen for—and been instrumental in the redemption of—Newton, but Brandon may not have wanted to get into something as heavy as her past when the books were already pretty packed. 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 I think they could, since they all, on some level, store information that can be converted into knowledge and applied to a situation. Oh yeah, I can see that. A lot of Megan's past seems awfully convenient where the plot is concerned—more so than David's past, for sure. I do wonder how the books would have changed had David fallen for—and been instrumental in the redemption of—Newton, but Brandon may not have wanted to get into something as heavy as her past when the books were already pretty packed. I supposse but my memories aren't a skill. Being able to memorize something is a skill but that doesn't make the result a skill as well. Better question would be this, how did he get Newton of her powers? Constantly showering her with compliments? Now I wonder would one of David's failed similies count as a compliment? 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 31, 2015 Author Posted July 31, 2015 I supposse but my memories aren't a skill. Being able to memorize something is a skill but that doesn't make the result a skill as well. Better question would be this, how did he get Newton of her powers? Constantly showering her with compliments? Now I wonder would one of David's failed similies count as a compliment? True, but a skill is impossible to obtain if there isn't a memory attached. "Hey, Newton! You're prettier than a pug chasing fireflies through a glitter factory!" "I—what?" "You're smart, too! Smarter than Regalia after she learned why it's not wise to eat an entire tank of goldfish!" "I….what are you….was that….hahaha I have no idea what is going on here or what it could possibly mean." Maybe it wouldn't matter when his compliments broke her brain. 3
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 True, but a skill is impossible to obtain if there isn't a memory attached. "Hey, Newton! You're prettier than a pug chasing fireflies through a glitter factory!" "I—what?" "You're smart, too! Smarter than Regalia after she learned why it's not wise to eat an entire tank of goldfish!" "I….what are you….was that….hahaha I have no idea what is going on here or what it could possibly mean." Maybe it wouldn't matter when his compliments broke her brain. Sure but there's a difference between the factual knowledge of how to operate someone and remembering what your teacher looked like. We need a Newton pony. 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 31, 2015 Author Posted July 31, 2015 Sure but there's a difference between the factual knowledge of how to operate someone and remembering what your teacher looked like. We need a Newton pony. That would probably fall under irrelevant memories. So if he wanted to absorb my martial arts training, he might remember going through the steps to make a proper fist and throw a proper punch, but memories regarding my sensei's personality or the stories he'd tell after class wouldn't be relevant to the training itself. I think Kobold made one a while back.
Comatose he/him Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 So, I have no time to wade through the tread, and just googled my username to find things directed at me. If you asked a question but didn't put my name in the post, let me know. First of all, sorry for being so MIA guys! It's only two weeks away from the time when the camp I'm coordinating starts, so I've been doing lots of last minute jobs. I have a Rainmaker / Skinsaver post planned, and will try to get it up ASAP. So, I started to make this MAP it's pretty empty now, but as others give me more information (especially Blaze and Comatose) I'll be able to point more interesting places in Corvallis. I can give edit privileges to anyone with Google account, so if anyone wants to do another set of markers for other cities, please PM me If anyone disagrees about where some pointer should be placed, contact me as well and we'll figure something out. Places that I'd like to mark: Gunsmokes church Phoenixes hideout Rainmaikers home Buttercups home Blossoms home (if it's somewhere else) Bubbles home (if it's somewhere else) Chase home (I think it was in the basements of OSU, but I'm not sure) Jumpdrives home/office The bridge where Iron Ogress was fought (I don't know which one is it, I couldn't find Harrison Street Bridge) I would love to add to this! Can I have editing privileges? I'll PM you my google account. Yo Comatose, I was thinking about writing a Prankster post in the Dalles, and was wonderring if you'd want him to run into Brandon. Hi-jinks and Hilarity would most likely ensue. That would be fine with me! I haven't checked on the Dalles since making that post, so maybe you've already gone ahead, which is fine Anyways, what did I miss? I'll try to check in a little more regularly, but I won't be up to full speed again until August 20th. Thanks for bearing with me!
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