The Arrowverse

[Dunkum he/him]

yea, now its only off by a few years, instead of hundreds. guess that's better. still not sure though.

could just be that the earth 2 explosion happened earlier (it must have if Jay has been doing his thing longer than Barry), so something else must have caused that. that's the thing about multiple universes: there are infinite possible variables that can change things. maybe on Earth 2, some small change in Wells's life made him work faster than in Thawne's original past

[Bort he/him]

Bort, regarding your Zoom theory, I take it you saw that post going around too? I really like the theory as well, and after this episode, like it even more.

 

What post?

 

I'm going only from the image of Zoom where you can clearly see his eyes, then watching carefully during the episodes. I've now ruled out Eddie, as Eddie had blue eyes and Zoom has brown. The closest I can see, from the eyes and build of Zoom, is likely Henry Allen.

[DSC01 he/him]

You know what I find interesting? No one has thought to ask if Earth 2's Wells was also replaced by Earth 2's Thawne. They're all distrustful of him for dumb reasons--"Waaah! You look like the disguise that was used by a bad guy, and I'm scared, even though I know that wasn't his true appearance!"--but they don't bother considering the real danger.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

What post?

 

I'm going only from the image of Zoom where you can clearly see his eyes, then watching carefully during the episodes. I've now ruled out Eddie, as Eddie had blue eyes and Zoom has brown. The closest I can see, from the eyes and build of Zoom, is likely Henry Allen.

THere was a post on Facebook that took me to MoviePilot, where someone made the same case. The eye size and build is too big to be Barry, but the eye size matches Henry almost perfectly.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

I'm still banking on Zoom being Earth 2 Thawne. If it isn't, I feel bad for the actor they had play Eobard, considering he got a total of 5 seconds on screen. It's not like this group to not give actor's their due screen time, particularly when they're playing major characters (Wells, Slade, Sara, Ronnie, etc.), so it would surprise me if Eobard's actor doesn't get more time, behind a mask or otherwise.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Blaze1616

[Bort he/him]

You know what I find interesting? No one has thought to ask if Earth 2's Wells was also replaced by Earth 2's Thawne. They're all distrustful of him for dumb reasons--"Waaah! You look like the disguise that was used by a bad guy, and I'm scared, even though I know that wasn't his true appearance!"--but they don't bother considering the real danger.

 

This is actually a very good point. Something on Earth 2 must have changed the timeline, since the particle accelerator was built 5 years early on Earth 1, yet already exists on Earth 2.

 

How do you guys in the US put up with television there? Does it not get annoying, having a season of a TV show broadcast, not only in two parts with a month long break in the middle, but taking off weeks here and there for pointless reasons - thanksgiving, superbowl, etc. I mean, would it not make more sense to have your favourite shows on TV during those times when you'll be sitting at home not doing much because the weather is too cold outside, and you are too stuffed with turkey?

 

Finally, good news! Colton Haynes is returning to Arrow as Arsenal, although the article I saw does not say for how long. I'm really hoping though that they don't bring him back specifically to put him in the grave.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Yes, Bort, it is very annoying. I can't stand it sometimes. Arrow Season Three's mid season finale was awful. It was the one that showed Ra's stab Oliver on top of the mountain.

Roy's coming back?!

[Bort he/him]

It's doubly annoying living in the UK, since we don't even get the distractions that cause the week breaks. We don't have a superbowl, or thanksgiving to distract us from the lack of good TV coming out of the US that week.

 

And yes, Roy is coming back, although like I said, I don't know for how long. I kinda got the impression on the article that is wasn't going to be a permanent thing. Shame really, as I thought he was a great character.

[Dunkum he/him]

Thanksgiving and the superbowl (and christmas, for that matter) are actually very good weeks for them to skip. I can't speak for everyone, but I know my family's thanksgiving tends to go into the evening, then people are driving home afterwards (in our case that could easily take a couple hours for some people. more if traffic is particularly bad).

for the superbowl, that is pretty obvious. there is a very very large contingent who will not be watching their regular shows at that time, so it makes sense to skip it.

honestly, it doesn't bother me that much when they skip a week here or there for things like that, but the midseason break is annoying.

[Quiver he/him]

I still need to get caught up on this. But.

 

This is actually a very good point. Something on Earth 2 must have changed the timeline, since the particle accelerator was built 5 years early on Earth 1, yet already exists on Earth 2.

 

My impression from Flash so far is that Earth-2 is more technologically advanced than Earth-1. The trains looked more advanced, and Jay mentioned his research invovled trying to find methods to purify hard water without causing radiation. I don't know much about science (serious understatement), so I kinda assumed that his world has had a different history that has resulted in that being necessary.

 

Honestly, the color filter they put over the scenes on Earth-2, and their clothing, kind of remidns me of Caprica, which might be why I assume they must be more advanced scientifically than we are. 

[lordofsoup]

I still need to get caught up on this. But.

 

 

My impression from Flash so far is that Earth-2 is more technologically advanced than Earth-1. The trains looked more advanced, and Jay mentioned his research invovled trying to find methods to purify hard water without causing radiation. I don't know much about science (serious understatement), so I kinda assumed that his world has had a different history that has resulted in that being necessary.

 

Honestly, the color filter they put over the scenes on Earth-2, and their clothing, kind of remidns me of Caprica, which might be why I assume they must be more advanced scientifically than we are. 

I thought that in the original timeline Harrison Wells didnt create the particle accelerator for another 5 years after the starting point of the show.  So about 20 years after Barry's mom died.  The reason Eobard replaced him was to speed up the creation of the accelerator, so instead of having to wait 20+ years for the Flash to be born, he managed it in 15.

[Curiosity he/him]

I still need to get caught up on this. But.

 

 

My impression from Flash so far is that Earth-2 is more technologically advanced than Earth-1. The trains looked more advanced, and Jay mentioned his research invovled trying to find methods to purify hard water without causing radiation. I don't know much about science (serious understatement), so I kinda assumed that his world has had a different history that has resulted in that being necessary.

 

Honestly, the color filter they put over the scenes on Earth-2, and their clothing, kind of remidns me of Caprica, which might be why I assume they must be more advanced scientifically than we are. 

 

He was actually looking for a way to make heavy water without radiation. Hard water has high concentrations of calcium and other metals and is relatively easy to purify through chemical means. Heavy water is water that uses deuterium instead of hydrogen-1. Deuterium is useful in fusion, since it already provides a proton and neutron to make helium-4 when paired with another deuterium atom. (Deuterium is hydrogen with 1 proton and 1 neutron in the nucleus, as opposed to just 1 proton.)

 

This doesn't negate your point, Quiver, but I did want to clarify how much the hint give. 

[Dunkum he/him]

I thought that in the original timeline Harrison Wells didnt create the particle accelerator for another 5 years after the starting point of the show.  So about 20 years after Barry's mom died.  The reason Eobard replaced him was to speed up the creation of the accelerator, so instead of having to wait 20+ years for the Flash to be born, he managed it in 15.

that sounds about right. I never had the year numbers down, but eobard wanted to get the accelerator running early. but earth 2 is very different from earth 1. clearly there must have been something different in that world's past even before you account for eobard, otherwise it would just be a copy of earth 1, pretty much, and there are too many differences for that, just based on the glimpses we have seen. so the timeline being different for earth 2 is not really that odd.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

Eobard traveled back in time to kill a young Barry before he became the Flash. Old Barry, however, moved Young Barry to safety, so Eobard killed Barry's mother instead. He then attempts to return to the future, only to learn that he has lost access to the Speed Force. Knowing that he needs a speedster with access to the Speed Force to return to his time, he replaces Dr. Wells with the goal to develop the particle accelerator 5 years early, so that he can return to the future sooner with the help of Barry.

[Left he/him]

Just have to say, I loved Damian's little bit in this episode! That was a fantastic scene.

[Dunkum he/him]

Just have to say, I loved Damian's little bit in this episode! That was a fantastic scene.

came on to say basically the same. I've said it before, but he is a fantastic villain so far. and neal mcdonough plays him with a sort of malicious glee that is just perfect.

[DSC01 he/him]

I love the way that the show acknowledged the difference in tone between Flash and Arrow. Damian has never been quite so over the top in Arrow, but it works for The Flash. Top-notch crossover work, there.

[Quiver he/him]

Hey! Guys! I finally got caught u-

 

 

Top-notch crossover work, there.

 

The crossover airs this week?

 

Fine, guess I'm still a week behind. Arrow and Flash got skipped over this week.

 

Don't care. I'm still doing my victory dance over the fact that I called Andy beind a ghost waaaay back during that dock-scene when he didn't shoot Diggle. 

[Left he/him]

So i thought that the Hawk people, Thanegarians, were aliens? Does it just depend, sometimes they are and sometimes they're not? Or is it something more like Wonder Woman, where she's both the daughter of a Greek goddess and an alien.

[DSC01 he/him]

Yeah, there's a whole tangled history in the comics. One incarnation of Hawkman and Hawkgirl were indeed Egyptians, but they got their powers from a crashed Thanagarian ship. In the comics, there was the same reincarnation thing, with Khufu and Chay-Ara destined to meet and fall in love in every incarnation. There is another constantly reincarnating Egyptian named Hath-Set who is destined to kill them in every lifetime, rather than Vandal Savage. Also, Black Adam (yes, Captain Marvel/Shazam's enemy) is involved in the story.

 

It will be interesting to see if they bring the alien thing into the Arrowverse or not. They have to come up with something, after all. I am reasonably certain that "is Egyptian" is not a satisfactory explanation for why someone has fantastic powers. 

[Dunkum he/him]

Yeah, there's a whole tangled history in the comics. One incarnation of Hawkman and Hawkgirl were indeed Egyptians, but they got their powers from a crashed Thanagarian ship. In the comics, there was the same reincarnation thing, with Khufu and Chay-Ara destined to meet and fall in love in every incarnation. There is another constantly reincarnating Egyptian named Hath-Set who is destined to kill them in every lifetime, rather than Vandal Savage. Also, Black Adam (yes, Captain Marvel/Shazam's enemy) is involved in the story.

 

It will be interesting to see if they bring the alien thing into the Arrowverse or not. They have to come up with something, after all. I am reasonably certain that "is Egyptian" is not a satisfactory explanation for why someone has fantastic powers.

given the tone of this season's Arrow, i'd bet they're going with mysticism. for now at least.

[DSC01 he/him]

Probably. Honestly, the whole alien thing would probably be a little much at this point. It would be cool if they kept the alien thing in reserve, though, and brought it in later. I won't be upset if they get rid of it altogether and just go with magic, but they can also be vague on their origins and bring in the aliens later. It looks like Legends of Tomorrow is going to be crazy enough that throwing in some aliens probably would be just fine.

[Dunkum he/him]

seems likely. I know there are some rumors that they are talking about doing some kind of crossover with supergirl. if they do, they could work aliens into the world that way, then retcon the origin, at least if they leave it vague enough

[DSC01 he/him]

Huh. Well, I just watched Arrow. They really didn't give us much of an origin at all. Something to do with the meteoritess, I suppose. I was joking before, but one could watch that and surmise that they're magic because they're from ancient Egypt. The meteorite thing is clearly the origin, though, and it's vague enough that they could bring in aliens later.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

How I felt at the end of the Arrow episode of the crossover: