WayneSpren he/him Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 So, I was wondering what storing Investiture meant. I came up with the idea that maybe storing Investiture let you worldhop if you stored enough of it. Hoid is supposed to have feruchemical abilities, after all. Does this theory work at all? 2
KnightGradient Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 I don't have enough hours on the forums to be correct on this, but worldhopping I think is mostly moving through Shadesmar(the Cognitive Realm) Since it only occupies areas with intelligence, and you could walk past the borders to another planet. But who says I'm right? 2
Blightsong he/him Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 I don't have enough hours on the forums to be correct on this, but worldhopping I think is mostly moving through Shadesmar(the Cognitive Realm) Since it only occupies areas with intelligence, and you could walk past the borders to another planet. But who says I'm right? It's has to do with shardpools and shadesmar. Brandon said there is a huge hint in Elantris on how Hoid world hops, and I'm pretty sure it has something to do with devotions pool in the mountains there. Also Rock met Hoid, who he believed a god, coming out of a Shardpool in the Unkalaki mountains. So I highlh doubt it has something to do with storing investiture.
Lopen he/him Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 What do you think would happen if an allomancer burned an awakened metal, assuming that it is possible? I have a feeling it wouldn't be easy because that metal would probably not want to be ingested but I don't think that the allomancer would get the breaths, because I think it is like killing someone holding a lot of breath, or killing someone like the God King. Only with the benefit of allomancy. But it also makes sense that the investiture could be transferred like that, or maybe the breath is used as a fuel, resulting in a very powerful use of investiture in the form of allomancy. What do you think? 1
Voidus Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 What do you think would happen if an allomancer burned an awakened metal, assuming that it is possible? I have a feeling it wouldn't be easy because that metal would probably not want to be ingested but I don't think that the allomancer would get the breaths, because I think it is like killing someone holding a lot of breath, or killing someone like the God King. Only with the benefit of allomancy. But it also makes sense that the investiture could be transferred like that, or maybe the breath is used as a fuel, resulting in a very powerful use of investiture in the form of allomancy. What do you think? Depends if they Allomancer was also an Awakener I'd guess.
Lopen he/him Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Demoux is the only Scadrial native worldhopper we know of right? But he can only burn atium, which isn't in production any more I don't know if you could even awaken it. 1
WeiryWriter he/him Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 Demoux is the only scadrial native worldhopper we know of right? But he can only burn atium, which isn't in production any more I don't know if you could even awaken it. There is also the kandra and the Terriswoman.
Lopen he/him Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 There is also the kandra and the Terriswoman.that makes me wonder if someone could be spiked on Scadrial with an awakened metal anthem hear two voices, or if a the terris woman could perform feruchemy with an awakened metal. But wouldn't the invested metal need to give permission to have its investiture used, like the lake in elantris needed permission to kill an elantran. But the breath is like the life force of the metal so I would assume the metal would become like a dead returned when they lose too much breath. We will probably learn about it during the third trilogy.
natc Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 . . . since when was permission needed for any of those things? 1
Lopen he/him Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Ok, so I am probably using investiture too often and wrongly. What I am trying to say is that when Raoden fell into the lake in Elantris he essentially told it no, and so it didn't dissolve his body or whatever. You can't take breath from an awakened object that you didn't awaken, I think, so how could you use an awakened object as fuel for one of the three metallic arts when that would probably involve absorbing their investiture, if that is the right way to put it. The awakened metal is sentient, and unless it's command allowed for it to be used up then I don't think it would want to be used as fuel. If you somehow consumed it and we're capable of burning it, would that make it dead, and it's investiture your own to claim? I don't know, but I don't think so. So if the metal is still awakened and alive and was not awakened by the allomancer who wanted to use the awakened metal as fuel, would the metal need to give their breath up, like returned or anyone else who has breath? Or if not, then wouldn't they need to somehow allow it. I don't know if I made sense to you, which I probably didn't before either, which might because I'm not as into this to cite my sources and reasons why, I just ramble on and on... 1
natc Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 I don't think we're defining "alive" properly anymore. Are we talking alive like a person, or just sentience? Because we're talking about a piece of metal. Heck, if it's metal soulcasted out of a living being awakening it might not even need a lot of breath, so it won't be anywhere near splinter-level like Nightblood and would just be about as normal as your average metalmind. Which burns perfectly well.
Lopen he/him Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Sorry, I don't really nitpick into the cosmere stuff like everyone else here does, I don't understand a lot of things and I miss out on a lot of things when I read the books. I'm here because I love Brandon Sandersons works, especially anything so mere related, but, I'm mostly here to better understand what I missed and what I don't get. Naturally I would argue for whatever makes the most sense to prove my theory or whatever, but I'm not really here to contribute, since it seems like I'm not able to convey my thoughts well enough anyways. I mostly just type stuff as I make it up and then fix it when I am done. I'm hoping I've got many years ahead of me, which will include the reading of Brandon's future books, and hopefully I will understand it better then. I'm also hoping Brandon will live to be an immortal master story teller.
Lopen he/him Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 I don't mean nitpick as a bad thing btw I just mean I don't catch all the details and point stuff out
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