Shivertongue he/him Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Splintering is a long and time-consuming process, though. I suspect Tanabanana was dead already I am declaring this to be his new name. 1
Dros Posted May 1, 2013 Posted May 1, 2013 Here's a secondhand quote from Zas, but Zas being the quotemaster, I don't need to look further: This is from the Theory:the Recreance thread. If you accept that the Radiants didn't exist at the time portrayed in the Dalinar-Nohadon vision and the prelude shows that the Radiants existed at the time of the Herald abandonment, then the Almighty was around while Nohadon was alive and at least some Honorspren existed. This is the only quote relating to the Recreance trigger that I remember and it has to do with the heralds, not Honor shattering. Awesome...thank you for finding that.
Fistsofrage Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 Since I think that Odium is responsible for the desolations, I think that Odium killed Honor before the desolations started. In fact, I think the shards of the heralds are all splinters of Honor. My lame theory is that there are 10 ideals, and each one unlocks one of the powers of surgebinding. I think that since each Radiant group had 4 ideals, that each radiant had four abilities. So only the the ones with the protecting/leading ideal could be windrunners, since that's the ability that ideals enabled. My truly lame idea is that kaladin is so honorable, that he will say all ten ideals, and reform the honor shard for the final battle with odium. This would require the other radiant leaders to be awesome enough to give him their shards so that he could bind them together. Please don't be too upset with my theory since I quit after the first mistborn book and never actually read about Ruin and Preservation, or the other shards, and I'm just using my own assumptions from what i've pieced together. But seriously, Kaladin is such an awesome "child of honor" that he might say all 10 ideals (one in each of the 10 books), and his personality/honor and Honor's might be so similar that he'd be able to do what he wanted (like rayse) and kill Odium.
Voidus Posted May 2, 2013 Posted May 2, 2013 Since I think that Odium is responsible for the desolations, I think that Odium killed Honor before the desolations started. In fact, I think the shards of the heralds are all splinters of Honor. My lame theory is that there are 10 ideals, and each one unlocks one of the powers of surgebinding. I think that since each Radiant group had 4 ideals, that each radiant had four abilities. So only the the ones with the protecting/leading ideal could be windrunners, since that's the ability that ideals enabled. My truly lame idea is that kaladin is so honorable, that he will say all ten ideals, and reform the honor shard for the final battle with odium. This would require the other radiant leaders to be awesome enough to give him their shards so that he could bind them together. Please don't be too upset with my theory since I quit after the first mistborn book and never actually read about Ruin and Preservation, or the other shards, and I'm just using my own assumptions from what i've pieced together. But seriously, Kaladin is such an awesome "child of honor" that he might say all 10 ideals (one in each of the 10 books), and his personality/honor and Honor's might be so similar that he'd be able to do what he wanted (like rayse) and kill Odium. Each order only has 2 Surges, not 4 and Kaladin used two separate ones in the first book, Full Lashings and Reverse Lashing. It would be cool, but I doubt that something like this would happen, might still reform Honor though.
Fistsofrage Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Teft said each order of the radiants had 4 other ideals apart from the main one. And I consider all the lashings to fall under the protecting/leading ideal. Kaladin has been using them based on instinct and theres nothing showing that he's not already capable of the others. I suspect that they will uncover the other lashings with sigzils tests. The only category I could see having some variant form of lashing is the just/confident ideal that deals with exhalation instead of inhalation. Soulcasting obviously falls under one of the ideals, but is nothing like lashing, so the others must be interesting as well.
Senor Feesh Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 The lashings aren't all separate surges though. The gravitation-altering powers all come under the heading of gravity, and the binding surge is another type. This is actually confirmed by Brandon. Also, the ideals didn't 'unlock' any surges, as he was already using them, they gave him a power boost instead.
Fistsofrage Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 The lashings aren't all separate surges though. The gravitation-altering powers all come under the heading of gravity, and the binding surge is another type. This is actually confirmed by Brandon. Also, the ideals didn't 'unlock' any surges, as he was already using them, they gave him a power boost instead. Well the ability he was using was described to derive from the protecting/leading ideal, and you could say that he wasn't able to use it to it's full potential until he said the ideal out loud. And since syl was attracted to him because of his desire to protect the many "tiens" he found in the army you could say that he was embodying the ideal from the beginning.
Senor Feesh Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Well the ability he was using was described to derive from the protecting/leading ideal, and you could say that he wasn't able to use it to it's full potential until he said the ideal out loud. And since syl was attracted to him because of his desire to protect the many "tiens" he found in the army you could say that he was embodying the ideal from the beginning. Ah, yes, I'd agree here. I meant to say that speaking the ideal didn't unlock the surge, I think you're likely correct when saying that living them does, and making the conscious decision to speak them aloud maybe 'attunes' you to them, allowing you to use them to greater effect. Also, I think you're too hard on yourself. Your theories aren't lame. It's just a matter of not having all the info to hand, we all make similar errors. Your ideas were fine based on what info you were working with; as you become more familiar with the material I'm sure we'll see lots of interesting stuff from you
Fistsofrage Posted May 3, 2013 Posted May 3, 2013 Ah, yes, I'd agree here. I meant to say that speaking the ideal didn't unlock the surge, I think you're likely correct when saying that living them does, and making the conscious decision to speak them aloud maybe 'attunes' you to them, allowing you to use them to greater effect. Also, I think you're too hard on yourself. Your theories aren't lame. It's just a matter of not having all the info to hand, we all make similar errors. Your ideas were fine based on what info you were working with; as you become more familiar with the material I'm sure we'll see lots of interesting stuff from you Thanks lol, im really looking forward to the next book, November can't come fast enough
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