Quiver he/him Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 I'm guessing this was a typo, but I'm amused. Jasnah + Jasnah + Kaladin. Double the Jasnah. Even better. More Jasnah is always better. JasnJasnaDin is my cosmere OT3. 2
Guest Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 Every Shardbearer was once a beginner, just as Renarin was. Renarin's not necessarily a bad fighter, he's just inexperienced. It was too risky for him to learn to fight when he didn't have Shardplate protecting him, but with it, he can be a good fighter. Zahel talks about what a good student he is when Kaladin starts expressing disapproval toward the fact that Renarin got the Shards, defending Adolin and Dalinar's choice to make him a Shardbearer: Correction: Zahel says Renarin is a good student because he is prompt to obey and does not complain, not because he has potential. After having trained Adolin who seemed to have been a very difficult student, Zahel was probably glad to get a break. He never stated anything when it came to talent. Worst, the other beginner example we are given, Moash, is more apt in his Plate after a mere week of training than Renarin after several weeks. In book, everything points towards Renarin being a poor soldier. It is not his fault, not everyone is good at sports, some people are more uncoordinated than others and, according to google, autistic people often have challenges when it comes to physical coordination. Dalinar and Adolin's choice is thus debatable, understandable, but still debatable.
Edgedancer he/him Posted June 24, 2015 Posted June 24, 2015 I just want to go on the record as saying the age difference is one of the reasons I was interested in Jasnah/Jasnadin. A younger man with an older woman isn't really a relationship I've seen much of in fantasy. ...okay, I'm done now. Just a little bit to add to this. A rohsaran year is 1.1 earth years so the age difference is tecnically a bit larger than people usually assume, more like 16 and a half year. Now I'll leave you to your Stormlight shipping and go back to Oregon were Epic magicians get shipped with undead dinosaurs. 1
Slater he/him Posted June 25, 2015 Posted June 25, 2015 I just want to go on the record as saying the age difference is one of the reasons I was interested in Jasnah/Jasnadin. A younger man with an older woman isn't really a relationship I've seen much of in fantasy. ...okay, I'm done now. Also, him being a Kr, as well as a really smart person from a part of society where she probably wouldn't expect it and a real lack of reverence towards religion. If Jasnah could have any romantic interest in anyone we know, that all sounds right up her ally. 1
DreamEternal Posted June 25, 2015 Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't say Kaladin has a total lack of reverence towards religion. He just isn't devout at all and has no problems with people of other religions, but a total lack of reverence? Still, he most likely wouldn't care about Jasnah's atheism. Edited June 25, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern
kaladin_stormblessed_ Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 I initially didn't like Renarin all that much, and he really irritated me because of his inability to fight, and his repetitive attempts to do so (chasmfiend fight in wok, and the duel (more like brawl) in WoR). BUT, because of feather writers compelling and persuasive defense of Renarin, I have been thoroughly convinced that Renarin is more interesting than initially though. My best hope is that his epilepsy will be healed similar to his poor eyesight being healed at the end or WoR, but I can also see him keeping this condition similar to Kaladin's slave scars. However, I don't blame Shallan's reaction to Renarin's breakdown at the end of WoR. I know I would've been crueler to him in the same situation, and can't blame her for something I would've done myself. In the initial spirit of the thread before Renarin derailed it, I really feel Moash's betrayal was huge. Bridge Four was a team, a solid unit, and as a basketball player, I know what that brotherhood in a team feels like. When he breaks himself off, I felt it was a knife in the back, and destruction of the trust Kaladin has built in his team. This could have some big ramifications for Bridge Four; Moash is turned traitor, Kaladin ran off to his old home, and their numbers were decimated by the szeth fight. 2
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) I don't know if i really loathe any character to the extent that i can't forgive them, mainly due to understanding where they're coming from and why they've done what they have but there are a few that have annoyed me due to their behaviour although that is a result from having the bigger picture/most of the relevant information. Elhokar: I get why he's acting the spoilt brat and why he is the way he is, given his upbringing and Alethi culture, but you'd think after having spent so long waging war yet still being 'incompetent' that it'd be time to think to yourself 'Right, maybe it is time i storming grow up because I've seriously got to start shaping up and make good ol' pops proud' especially seeing as he's paranoid that everyone's always making him feel inadequate next to his father. I mean, his uncle could easily provide advice and guidance on ruling, instead of just thinking 'I'm King and because i've got the crown, what I say goes'. It reminds me a little of Joffrey (Not that extreme but you get the idea). Although that line of thought is tricky seeing as we don't know how much schooling he had in leadership prior to Gavilar's death, so having the crown dropped in your lap so may just throw anyone for a loop. Kaladin: Breaking his bond with Syl. This, for me, is major facepalm moment considering how close he had grown to Syl prior to the breaking. You can see how affectionate towards her he is and how much he appreciates that she is there so when he starts spouting about Elhokar's removal etc, surely you would have paid attention to how it was affecting Syl and what it was doing to the bond. Eshonai: Considering the parshendi attitudes towards their gods and history, and even Eshonai's mother's rambled warnings, you'd think she would have got the hint that Stormspren = bad news, even if it does save your people from extinction but hey....worldbuilding and storydriving Edited June 27, 2015 by ParadoxSpren
Quiver he/him Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 Also, him being a Kr, as well as a really smart person from a part of society where she probably wouldn't expect it and a real lack of reverence towards religion. If Jasnah could have any romantic interest in anyone we know, that all sounds right up her ally. Honestly, part of my logic comes from the fact that both are pretty much societal outcasts. I can see Jasnah being inteein Kaladin on at least an intellectual level -what with him being a KR and all- and watching her verbally dismantle his racist "Lighteyes are all terrible people" sentiments would be amazing, and I can see her being interested in his medical background. They both have a fairly... practical attitude to philosophy, I think. Plus... she's actually probably one of the characters would would most readily accept him. I'm sure the whole time he'd be incredibly suspicious of her, just like he was with Adolin- possibly even more so, because she's even higher ranked in society and a woman. On her side, I pretty sure the fact that he's a darkeyes means less than nothing to her. Plus... c'mon. The heretical princess of the kingdom being in a relationship with a Darkeye (gasp!) former slave (gasp!) Knight Radiant(gasp!)? That's not a deterent to Jasnah, that's a reason to do it. (...I'm gonna start trying to write a Jasnadin fiction, aren't I?) Anyway, on topic... I honestly dislike Amaram now, but that's not quite because of what he did in the books; it's because Brandon took the character in a direction that I wasn't expecting and that I'm not sure I like. I was hoping that Kal's prejudice -plus the fact that we don't get to see Amaram's sideof things- was building to the revelation that Amaram really is a good man who made a hard decision- one he regrets, one he wishes he didn't have to make and that haunts him, but one he would make again. I was hoping that Amaram was going to be more complex than just a villainous Lighteyes, a moral counterpoint to Kaladin about the dangers of accepting the dea Shards -taking destination over Journey- and what that could lead to. There are some scenes of him in WoR I like -the way he treats his staff, for instance- but... the way the book ended made me lose some interest in the character. 4
DreamEternal Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) Yes, there is a lot of unexplored potential in Amaram, as there also was in Sadeas during Way of Kings. It is like most authors think that you can only write in black and write and grey and grey. Just because there are good people in your story it doens't mean you have to include completely unforgivable villains instead of despicable people who do have a point, or anti-villains who are on the wrong side for the right reasons. I mean, it is not like Brandon never wrote people like this before, or that there aren't people like this in SA (Mr.T), but I don't get why he didn't make Amaram and Sadeas more like this, by playing the angle of protecting stability by cruel means for selfish ends, but still protecting stability, for Sadeas, and giving Amaram a better justification for what he did, instead of "Restares told me we need shards". And not making he regret his mercy, because that totaly made me lose any interest in the character. Edited June 27, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern
Guest Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 I initially didn't like Renarin all that much, and he really irritated me because of his inability to fight, and his repetitive attempts to do so (chasmfiend fight in wok, and the duel (more like brawl) in WoR). BUT, because of feather writers compelling and persuasive defense of Renarin, I have been thoroughly convinced that Renarin is more interesting than initially though. My best hope is that his epilepsy will be healed similar to his poor eyesight being healed at the end or WoR, but I can also see him keeping this condition similar to Kaladin's slave scars. However, I don't blame Shallan's reaction to Renarin's breakdown at the end of WoR. I know I would've been crueler to him in the same situation, and can't blame her for something I would've done myself. In the initial spirit of the thread before Renarin derailed it, I really feel Moash's betrayal was huge. Bridge Four was a team, a solid unit, and as a basketball player, I know what that brotherhood in a team feels like. When he breaks himself off, I felt it was a knife in the back, and destruction of the trust Kaladin has built in his team. This could have some big ramifications for Bridge Four; Moash is turned traitor, Kaladin ran off to his old home, and their numbers were decimated by the szeth fight. I do not blame Shallan's reaction either. She was trying to solve a difficult puzzle and Renarin was not helping. I would have been hard as well, perhaps harder. We haven't seen Bridge 4 reaction to Moash's treachery yet... So far, he has turned into their champion being earning Shards: the news he was plotting to have the king assassinated is bound to have an effect on them.
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