Why didn't Sazed heal Demoux?

[spencer12347 he/him]

This is just a simple question. When Sazed became Harmony he healed Spook's burns and turned him into a mist born. Demoux had his scars from the Koloss attack, and it obsiouvsly didn't heal for it was we see him described in Way of Kings with those scars. I believe if he can change Spook's spiritual DNA, correct me if I'm wrong about that, he could heal scars. 

 

I also have this fan theory that the Set started out as a Cult to Spook. 

[Kobold King he/him]

Demoux struck me as the kind of guy who'd appreciate having a scar to show when he'd fought for the fate of his planet.

[Axies he/him]

I remember that Sanderson said more than once (I'm at work now and can't go looking for the WoBs, sorry) that the healing in the Spiritual Realm has something to do with how do you see yourself (correct me if I'm wrong). That's why Kaladin can't heal his slave marks. I think that Demoux accepted those wounds and those scars.

[Curious Anamaximder he/him]

A cult to Spook? No, Spook became the Lord Mistborn. Or maybe not?

[Voidus]

I remember that Sanderson said more than once (I'm at work now and can't go looking for the WoBs, sorry) that the healing in the Spiritual Realm has something to do with how do you see yourself (correct me if I'm wrong). That's why Kaladin can't heal his slave marks. I think that Demoux accepted those wounds and those scars.

Close enough, although we don't know how that reacts to healing others, like with Regrowth or Aons.

[Guest]

Close enough, although we don't know how that reacts to healing others, like with Regrowth or Aons.

Regrowth would likely base itself off the persons perception of self, or else it couldn't be used on people the Regrower didn't know well without some VERY weird results.

Aons... I'm far less sure. The "caster" directs the Aon very specifically, but specifically how? If they draws an Aon to fix a heart, are they saying "build this" to the power? or are they just directing all the power at the heart directly and the heart builds itself?

[Axies he/him]

Aons... I'm far less sure. The "caster" directs the Aon very specifically, but specifically how? If they draws an Aon to fix a heart, are they saying "build this" to the power? or are they just directing all the power at the heart directly and the heart builds itself?

 

I think that the "order" when they heal with Aons is more like "rebuild", or "regrowth". I believe that the healing on the Cosmere goes always pushing the Investiture to the Spiritual Realm to look for the "ideal" of a heart, of a lung, of an arm... This ideal can be modified by the cognitive realm "I had a mole in my arm", "I am a slave and my forehead has those scars"... but the idea is investiture to Spiritual "ideal to "copy" it in the Physical realm. I might be wrong ofc.

Edited May 20, 2015 by Axies

[Guest]

I think that the "order" when they heal with Aons is more like "rebuild", or "regrowth". I believe that the healing on the Cosmere goes always pushing the Investiture to the Spiritual Realm to look for the "ideal" of a heart, of a lung, of an arm... This ideal can be modified by the cognitive realm "I had a mole in my arm", "I am a slave and my forehead has those scars"... but the idea is investiture to Spiritual "ideal to "copy" it in the Physical realm. I might be wrong ofc.

 

I'm inclined to agree, the only reason I have doubt is because AonDor is able to make organic matter directly, so the capability to simply make a new heart from scratch exists with AonDor unlike someone using Regrowth (someone using Soulcasting to heal would, to my mind, be similar to AonDor)

[Axies he/him]

I'm inclined to agree, the only reason I have doubt is because AonDor is able to make organic matter directly, so the capability to simply make a new heart from scratch exists with AonDor unlike someone using Regrowth (someone using Soulcasting to heal would, to my mind, be similar to AonDor)

Yep, ofc. With the AonDor you have kind of "godlike" power, but that doesn't change that you create this organic matter directly with the shape and functions of the "idea" of a heart. The Spiritual Realm knows that a heart is something with 4 chambers, that pump blood through the body, etc... 

But there is where the Cognitive Realm puts his finger. In my mind all magic goes to Spirit Realm, through Cognitive to affect the Physical (being getting an Ideal, affecting the sDNA, etc... some way or another that's the process as I see it.) You acces the SR because you want to heal/regrow a heart. Then you have to put this heart in the PR, but to do that this heart is affected by the CR. In the CR is where this heart may be turned around because the "ideal" of a heart is not the same that the heart that this guy needs because he has Situs inversus.

With that in mind I can think on "Regrowing" a heart the same way as creating one. You acces the SR and search for the idea of a human body and you let this ideal to fill the gap. With what? A new "regrown"/"created form scratch heart". If the guy is the same from above it still has the Situs inversus and you are growing the heart in the right place because the CR idea that his body has about itself.

I don't know if I'm clear or I made some caos up there (english is my 3rd language and sometimes my ideas run faster than my capacity to translate them). Basically both magics work "the same way" and are affected by the Idea(SR) first and the CR afterwards.

 

[Titan Arum]

Yep, ofc. With the AonDor you have kind of "godlike" power, but that doesn't change that you create this organic matter directly with the shape and functions of the "idea" of a heart. The Spiritual Realm knows that a heart is something with 4 chambers, that pump blood through the body, etc... 

 

I think it's worth nothing that their "godlike" power is simply their interaction with their investiture from Devotion. If they are godlike, then so is everyone else who can use their investiture. They were only termed gods because very few people in Arelon could actually use investiture magics and they used their powers benevolently. 

[Paranoid King he/him]

Oh, and congratulations on posting the 1,000th post in Mistborn.

[Axies he/him]

I think it's worth nothing that their "godlike" power is simply their interaction with their investiture from Devotion. If they are godlike, then so is everyone else who can use their investiture. They were only termed gods because very few people in Arelon could actually use investiture magics and they used their powers benevolently. 

 

I was talking about "godlike" power in answer to this quote:

 

AonDor is able to make organic matter directly, so the capability to simply make a new heart from scratch exists with AonDor unlike someone using Regrowth (someone using Soulcasting to heal would, to my mind, be similar to AonDor)

I quoted the godlike part to try to make it clear that I wasn't really talking about godlike in "power of god", but on the equivalent exchange (alchemylike) of the Soulcasting vs. the making from scratch (godlike) of the AonDor. I don't know if I'm clear enough... Y_Y

[natc]

AonDor likely uses the investiture drawn from the Dor and converts it to matter, so it kind of is still equivalent exchange.

Like the philosopher stone hack. There's just so much power to use up that it doesn't really matter how much you need to make. Give what else is made of investiture in the cosmere this analogy is strangely relevant.

[Axies he/him]

Thank you @natc. That's what I was trying to say but better and with less words.
It's not that the Elantrians are godlike (since the quotes) is that the power seems godlike but is really the same as the others. Power+Intention->SR/CR->CR/SR->PR = puff... MAGIC!