TheFinisher4Ever he/him Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 After reading the thread by DariusJenai about Galivar's sphere, it got me really thinking about the Unmade. So far, all we know about them comes from these epigraphs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zas678 he/him Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 The Consume bit might be a clue. What if Consume is a shard of Roshar? Maybe when it speaks of the three that ruled, but now the broken one rules- maybe that means that we have three shards, Almighty, Cultivation and Consumation, and the "broken one reigns" refers to Odium, who moved in and broke the three of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Odium is the Shard name. Look it up, it means hate or disgust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman he/him Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Odium is the Shard name. Look it up, it means hate or disgust. He's saying "What if Roshar had three 'indigenous' Shards who were then displaced or dispersed by Odium?" This is a perfectly fair question. I've asked it myself, and the answers we've received have not satisfied me that this isn't what happened. We know Odium has come in from the outside and destroyed indigenous Shards before (e.g. Elantris). We don't discuss it simply because the evidence outside this quote is non-existent, and I doubt Brandon will let that slip one way or the other before the time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter she/her Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I see no reason to complicate matters further by assuming that there are 4 Shards involved instead of 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Which would work great, had I not worded this question cleverly: 18. How many Shards have existed on Roshar?ANSWER: Three This was taken from some event Mi'ch was at. The answer isn't a direct quote, but I'm fairly certain they read my question exactly. So unless Brandon misinterpreted my meaning, then the answer is three, and always has been. Odium's trip to Sel was said to be "short", which must mean he came back to Roshar pretty quickly. Maybe it was about at that point the Oathpact happened, binding Odium to this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zas678 he/him Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Do I have that list on the Brandonothology Chaos? I don't think I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Do I have that list on the Brandonothology Chaos? I don't think I do. You don't. You will soon, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 What about the Old Magic, I dont really get where it comes in to play if Odium destroyed the three shards on Roshar. Between the three of them, even if they did some of their power to make humans, they should be able to take out on other Shard, even if it is extra powerful. The Old Magic is very powerful, and it does not seem like Odium to leave such a powerful player in the game, unless he had some sort of control over it. Could he have made some sort of pact with the 3rd shard on Roshar, if that Shard (Consume?) was like Ruin on Scadiel and wanted destruction and violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 What about the Old Magic, I dont really get where it comes in to play if Odium destroyed the three shards on Roshar. Between the three of them, even if they did some of their power to make humans, they should be able to take out on other Shard, even if it is extra powerful. The Old Magic is very powerful, and it does not seem like Odium to leave such a powerful player in the game, unless he had some sort of control over it. Could he have made some sort of pact with the 3rd shard on Roshar, if that Shard (Consume?) was like Ruin on Scadiel and wanted destruction and violence? Odium IS the third Shard on Roshar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman he/him Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 What about the Old Magic, I dont really get where it comes in to play if Odium destroyed the three shards on Roshar. Between the three of them, even if they did some of their power to make humans, they should be able to take out on other Shard, even if it is extra powerful. The Old Magic is very powerful, and it does not seem like Odium to leave such a powerful player in the game, unless he had some sort of control over it. Could he have made some sort of pact with the 3rd shard on Roshar, if that Shard (Consume?) was like Ruin on Scadiel and wanted destruction and violence? I'm assuming that Odium wasn't actually able to completely destroy all of the Shards or their powers, even if he did kill the consciousness attached to the Almighty. He weakened or compromised them, though, that is certain. There seem to be limits on Shards powers, and I got the feeling from tWoK that although Odium's influence is dominant, he isn't anywhere close to exercising his full power unconstrained. We don't know what the rules are, but they are definitely there. Possibly his influence is strong, but he isn't completely back on Roshar? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KChan she/her Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Unless the Old Magic is related to Odium directly. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman he/him Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Unless the Old Magic is related to Odium directly. Just a thought. Possible, but I can't help but suspecting that parts of the other shards are floating around. Their influence hasn't disappeared, I'm certain. It just doesn't feel like Odium's influence, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I'm fairly certain that Cultivation is still active. And my guess is that the Old Magic is hers. Cultivation is a rather broad phrase. It means helping things to grow. Well, what makes humans grow and improve themselves? It's not giving them things outright, but giving them things to overcome. This would where the giving of both a boon and a curse becomes important. As my man Topher said, "Is she running to something or away from something? The answer is: both." Name that reference and you get 5 AWESOME POINTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofsoup Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 thanks, but I have another question. Did Odium originally exist on Roshar, or was he bound or caught or something else when he came there? Or was the three only refering to the fact that only three different Shards have ever been on Roshar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KChan she/her Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Three Shards have existed on Roshar, period. They are: Honor, Cultivation, and Odium. As to your other question, I'm not entirely sure. I don't think it's mentioned whether Odium is native to Roshar or not. I remember getting the feel that he isn't, but that could just be because of the reference to his trip to Sel. It's just as possible either way, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOM1else he/him Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Odium is the Shard name. Look it up, it means hate or disgust. I've been thinking for awhile that Odium might not mean Hate/Disgust, so instead of looking it up in the dictionary I looked it up in a thesaurus and got some interesting results Main Entry: odiumPart of Speech: noun Definition: shame, dishonor Synonyms: abhorrence, antipathy, aversion, bar sinister, black eye, blame, blot, blur, brand, censure, condemnation, detestation, disapproval, discredit, disesteem, disfavor, disgrace, dislike, dispprobation, disrepute, enmity, execration, hate, hatred, ignominy, infamy, malice, obloquy, onus, opprobrium, rebuke, reprobation, resentment, slur, spot, stain, stigma Antonyms: approval, honor, regard, respect Emphasis mine. If Odium is Dishonor then I think it very likely that he is native to Roshar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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