TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 I have been trying create to make some kind of energy conversion epic since December, and I decided to make a more defensive epic, and I had this idea yesterday. Which is totally fine, but there's an energy converter in Corvallis and another in The Dalles--both threads we recommend for new members. And we have quite a few teleporters in the game as well, so whether or not it's an issue depends on how much you want your character to stand out, and how you envision him interacting with the other characters who have similar powers.
Kobold King he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I like Heatsap too, but I'm feeling this new trend of energy converters. I feel like we have a lot now. I don't mind all the energy converters, but they do make me a bit less confident about the Epic who can turn herself to pure energy I was planning on introducing.
Mailliw73 he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I don't mind all the energy converters, but they do make me a bit less confident about the Epic who can turn herself to pure energy I was planning on introducing. See,I like those kind of energy Epics a lot. These ones are cool, but the science goes over my head a lot of the time. Sunburst is simple. She'll fry you if you anger her. But these converters are cool too, we just have a few already. Not like it's a problem though. Smasher's powers are all essentially the same as o other characters' as well.
Redbird he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) I just realized I left something out, he can't convert the energy, he just absorbs it. This idea came from a few things I heard from Gleeman and 18th Shard, including an epic who could produce radiation, but bisharmed by it, and I thought an epic that was the opposite would be interesting. Edited May 13, 2015 by Redbird
Kobold King he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I just realized I left something out, he can't convert the energy, he just absorbs it. This idea came from a few things I heard from Gleeman and 18th Shard, including an epic who could produce and radiation, but be harmed by it, and I though an epic that was the opposite would be interesting. Great, now he can absorb Sunburst. I definitely like him, though. Are you familiar with any of the RP storylines yet?
Mailliw73 he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Oh, I see. I just skimmed it and assumed it was like the other ones. I like that a lot then. Just straight defensive powers.
Redbird he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 No, I don't really know what'g going on, but it sounded like fun, and I finally had a good (or so I like to think) idea for an epic. Oh, I see. I just skimmed it and assumed it was like the other ones. I like that a lot then. Just straight defensive powers. I just left it out when writing it, i'll fix it though.
Blackhoof Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I also like this character. Heatsink is a cool name. Intersting power. Makes him much less powerful than converters or projectors like Obliteration. But that is fine, limitations make for interesting characters. Question: what happens to the energy? Does it disappear completely or does he become super hot when he absorbs heat?
Redbird he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I was thinking it just disappears, since other epics seem to create endless amounts of energy, why not have one that destroys some?
18th Shard he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I also love writing characters with dubious morality. The Rainmaker post is up. With Phoenix temporarily gone, and Converter on her way to being restrained, perhaps we can wrap up this scene soon. Then, I think the Queens can go about their business, and Rainmaker and Hypno can have their quick scene, before we end off day one in Corvallis . I'm also hoping to fit two or three Euphoria flashbacks in, so stay tuned. How closely will you have people watching Phoenix's ashes? How... replaceable are they? Epic name: Heatsink, unless I can come up with something better. Age: Early 20's Powers: Energy absorption, for anything but kinetic energy. Electricity and heat can only be absorbed by direct contact. Increased agility and reaction time. He cannot redirect that energy. Weakness: Either escalators or rats. Description/use of powers:He dresses and acts like vanillas do in public, this is mostly so he can surprise energy epics. Although sometimes he likes to show off and intimidate people, by absorbing all the light that hits him and turning into a human shaped area of pure blackness. He sometimes uses this for stealth, by darkening an area just enough to where others cannot see. He is an expert escape artist, often pulling most of the heat out of a binding or wall to shatter it. I don't know if I want to have any secondary powers or not yet. Maybe add that he can absorb kinetic energy by touch (that is heat, after all) which isn't OP, but still adds to his power set. Also, maybe the energy can keep him alive, i.e. becomes oxygen, water, nutrients, body heat, etc., so he isn't killed when he absorbs all the heat around him like we're having with Converter.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 ...it was quite another to look like a toddler covered in glitter, like a certain matter manipulator he knew. Well, isn't Lightwards the Judgey McJudgerton. 3
Voidus Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Well, isn't Lightwards the Judgey McJudgerton. He's just jealous that he's not allowed to walk around in a glittery prom dress 2
Kobold King he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 He's just jealous that he's not allowed to walk around in a glittery prom dress "Not allowed?! I will have you know that I am an Epic and an Emperor, permitted to wear whatever I like! I will prove it to you!" Promise me you will never say that in front of him. 2
Voidus Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 "Not allowed?! I will have you know that I am an Epic and an Emperor, permitted to wear whatever I like! I will prove it to you!" Promise me you will never say that in front of him. I won't. Neverthere on the other hand might do it to extort a few more dinosaurs out of him... 2
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 "Not allowed?! I will have you know that I am an Epic and an Emperor, permitted to wear whatever I like! I will prove it to you!" Promise me you will never say that in front of him. Please. He couldn't even pull off a basic ballgown. 3
Kobold King he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Please. He couldn't even pull off a basic ballgown. I bet he'd look quite fetching in that frilly bowed bathing suit of Funtimes'. And by "fetching," I mean "OH SWEET CELESTIA WHAT I HAVE SEEN I CANNOT UNSEE." 3
Voidus Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 Please. He couldn't even pull off a basic ballgown. Maybe if it was green? Nope. You're right, he's beyond all hope. 2
Blackhoof Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I was thinking it just disappears, since other epics seem to create endless amounts of energy, why not have one that destroys some? fair enough, that breaks physics but as you said, Epic powers break physics as a rule. How closely will you have people watching Phoenix's ashes? How... replaceable are they? Maybe add that he can absorb kinetic energy by touch (that is heat, after all) which isn't OP, but still adds to his power set. Also, maybe the energy can keep him alive, i.e. becomes oxygen, water, nutrients, body heat, etc., so he isn't killed when he absorbs all the heat around him like we're having with Converter. Does he reincarnate from his ashes? what happens if the ashes are scattered? actually, kinetic energy isn't heat- if anything it is the other way around. Heat is caused by the movement of atoms, which vibrate the more energy they have. Kinetic energy- movement- causes heat when it causes friction, but it is not heat in and of itself. Absorbing all heat from something will not stop its movement, because it will still have kinetic energy as a whole even though the object is at absolute zero. Maybe the energy can heal him the more he absorbs? like Disruption, the more energy he drains the faster he heals.
Mailliw73 he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I bet he'd look quite fetching in that frilly bowed bathing suit of Funtimes'. And by "fetching," I mean "OH SWEET CELESTIA WHAT I HAVE SEEN I CANNOT UNSEE." First Altermind wears no clothes, now Lightwards in Funtimes's bathing suit? Oh, Calamity, my mind!! 2
Voidus Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 First Altermind wears no clothes, now Lightwards in Funtimes's bathing suit? Oh, Calamity, my mind!! Still better than Lycra!Lightwards. 1
18th Shard he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) fair enough, that breaks physics but as you said, Epic powers break physics as a rule. Does he reincarnate from his ashes? what happens if the ashes are scattered? actually, kinetic energy isn't heat- if anything it is the other way around. Heat is caused by the movement of atoms, which vibrate the more energy they have. Kinetic energy- movement- causes heat when it causes friction, but it is not heat in and of itself. Absorbing all heat from something will not stop its movement, because it will still have kinetic energy as a whole even though the object is at absolute zero. Maybe the energy can heal him the more he absorbs? like Disruption, the more energy he drains the faster he heals. I meant that heat is kinetic energy at a molecular level, so he sort of already absorbs kinetic energy, so it isn't a huge stretch that he could absorb it on a larger scale. I like the healing idea, but let's see what redbird wants. Phoenix's ashes are not essential to his reincarnation - they are just right where he died, and therefore right where he will reincarnate. If the ashes are scattered, nothing special happens - Phoenix just relights on fire (not sure how explosively) when he reincarnates, and like Firefight, has a greater ability right after his reincarnation. I was wondering if I wanted him to be angry or cautious, and whether he'd have to fight his way out. Edit: Voidus, did you like what Xanas was doing in the Parshendi War? "Ah, well, gotta write that epic eulogy for a flaming bird that Voidus killed." Edited May 13, 2015 by 18th Shard 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 13, 2015 Author Posted May 13, 2015 First Altermind wears no clothes, now Lightwards in Funtimes's bathing suit? Oh, Calamity, my mind!! Quick! Picture Protector Pug stretched out on her back, asking Edgerunner for a belly rub! 1
Voidus Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I meant that heat is kinetic energy at a molecular level, so he sort of already absorbs kinetic energy, so it isn't a huge stretch that he could absorb it on a larger scale. I like the healing idea, but let's see what redbird wants. Phoenix's ashes are not essential to his reincarnation - they are just right where he died, and therefore right where he will reincarnate. If the ashes are scattered, nothing special happens - Phoenix just relights on fire (not sure how explosively) when he reincarnates, and like Firefight, has a greater ability right after his reincarnation. I was wondering if I wanted him to be angry or cautious, and whether he'd have to fight his way out. Edit: Voidus, did you like what Xanas was doing in the Parshendi War? "Ah, well, gotta write that epic eulogy for a flaming bird that Voidus killed." I did indeed Nice cameo.
Edgedancer he/him Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 I know this is going to sound somewhat antagonistic so sorry in advance but that's less handwaving than just completely ignoring how her powers work and just stating that they do, it provides no framework for new circumstances meaning that I'll have to come up with how her powers work on the fly as situations arise. So it's not really a solution to the problem (What would happen if she used her powers on a bolt of lightning) than it is just allowing me to say whatever I want happens. I don't know, maybe I'm just annoyed because it feels like you're trying to toss 6 months of effort out the window, if that's really what everyone thinks is best then I suppose I'll go with it but I don't particularly like it and I suspect it will cause many problems in fights due to her power being completely unpredictable in new circumstances. It's ultimately your decision so feel free to ignore me and just do your thing. I just fail to see how your solution gives any solid framework. It blends the line between actual momentum she should be transfering and just plain energy and requires you to step in with some kind of ideal which I'm not even sure if it always works with the ideal reference or if she could move away from it and stop a persons blood anyway. You've explained it to me and it sums up with "it does what I want it to do". How does that not give you the option to just wiggle your way through everything? Lightning too could be argued both ways with your system saying that electrones would be stopped as their movement isn't part of the ideal or say that electrones still travel in an idealized human or just object in general, so the lightning should continue to travel. There is no absolute logic in your approach only whatever arbitrary limit you choose. Back on what I proposed. Maybe it's just me but the solution to the lightning problem seems simple. The power only works on the object as a whole, so it ignores such things as the movement of atoms and electrones, lightning is made out of electrones, meaing the power doesn't affect them. Result the system wouldn't stop lightning. That seems like a simple logical chain of consequences to me. (There are other topic I would comment on, like our newcomer but I sadly don't have the time at the moment.)
Voidus Posted May 13, 2015 Posted May 13, 2015 It's ultimately your decision so feel free to ignore me and just do your thing. I just fail to see how your solution gives any solid framework. It blends the line between actual momentum she should be transfering and just plain energy and requires you to step in with some kind of ideal which I'm not even sure if it always works with the ideal reference or if she could move away from it and stop a persons blood anyway. You've explained it to me and it sums up with "it does what I want it to do". How does that not give you the option to just wiggle your way through everything? Lightning too could be argued both ways with your system saying that electrones would be stopped as their movement isn't part of the ideal or say that electrones still travel in an idealized human or just object in general, so the lightning should continue to travel. There is no absolute logic in your approach only whatever arbitrary limit you choose. Back on what I proposed. Maybe it's just me but the solution to the lightning problem seems simple. The power only works on the object as a whole, so it ignores such things as the movement of atoms and electrones, lightning is made out of electrones, meaing the power doesn't affect them. Result the system wouldn't stop lightning. That seems like a simple logical chain of consequences to me. (There are other topic I would comment on, like our newcomer but I sadly don't have the time at the moment.) No more than reality does, momentum and energy are related concepts, she only affects the energy that comes as a result of momentum so it's well within scope. I could wiggle around the use of an idealized version (Something I actually got the idea from Brandons cognitive aspects and spritual ideals) but it provides some limitations at least and at the very least it doesn't compel me to just alter her powers as needed, I could obviously but I won't, I already have a working model and I'll stick to that model regardless of what occurs in story, having no planned model but just saying 'it just works because it does' provides me with no way to prepare for future situations now while I'm free from bias. This way if someone asks me a question I can say 'well this is how I've imagined the idealized version and her powers interactions so logically it should work this way' rather than just 'well, I'd prefer it to do this so it does this.' The point is that I'd be setting those limits now rather than on the fly as they're needed and when my answer may be influenced by bias, that's the benefit of having a structured system rather than handwaving it. (Also I seriously doubt anyone would accept that the ideal version of a human body has lightning coursing through it) The difference essentially comes down to a completely subjective approach where I just handwave explanations away, or a largely rules-based approach with certain subjective elements (Which are going to be necessary whatever happens, there's no objective way to differentiate between blood movement and muscle movement) Again, an 'object' is a highly subjective definition, and an 'object as a whole' makes even less sense subjectively with the multitude of differing momentums within it. For instance from my perspective, the electrons would become a part of the system as soon as they made contact, electrons flow freely between atoms, they don't 'belong' to one object and stay there forever, as soon as an electron entered the body it would be part of the system and so stopped. That seems like the logical chain to me. Which is the problem with subjectivity and handwaving, it renders little ability to differentiate which of us is right because there is no right. There can at least be some discussion over what constitutes the natural, idealized version of a person, blood flow at the least, breathing, brain activity, not on fire or being shocked with electricity, whether eye movement or blinking would be allowed or not is a somewhat more subjective debate but there can at least be a debate, we all share somewhat of the same idea of what constitutes a normal, living person, we can't all share an idea on handwaving.
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