The Investiture-Challenged Awareness Society

[Lindel he/him]

I would like to join. I will try my best to abide by the two Rules, although I may not have enough time for the moment to publish my own theories. 

[Curiosity he/him]

I think Identity is a Spiritual quality, if the Feruchemical tables are anything to go by.

[skaa he/him]

I would like to join. I will try my best to abide by the two Rules, although I may not have enough time for the moment to publish my own theories.

 

Welcome to the Society!

 

kinxer, Redbird, Ashiok, and Kobold: Do you guys want to join?

 

 

I would like to question the ICAS on its policies on the scientific uses of Investiture... The second Resolution, that of scientific Inquiry, is a goal I feel closely aligns with DA goals. We in the Dark Alley strive to discover the potentially life saving benefits of Hemalurgy. I believe our goals differ on but a single point, namely, that of the use of Investiture. We in the Dark Alley strive to use Hemalurgy for the benefit of all.

The benefit of all? What of the victims who, unless the DA have had a breakthrough in Hemalurgic Investiture acquisition, are all dead? The fact that most victims of your art have so far been half-Skaa makes this even more objectionable to me personally.

But that is not even the root of our difference. Our goals differ in that you think living with your soul and body grotesquely deformed is an acceptable compromise to obtaining enhanced inner power, while we do not even accept the desire for enhanced inner power, much less being deformed.

[Out of character: I'm actually okay with a hypothetical form of Hemalurgy that does not kill its donor, but only if the donor is a willing volunteer.]

 

Respectfuly, the Dark Alley also requests our bamboo-loving associate be allowed use of a small piece of Gold to enable quick healing of his legs.

We have not even decided if Snoopy is a DA spy (my first instinct, given his insulting remarks; hence the crippling punishment) or someone with an amusing habit of ironic guild memberships (my reason for eventual granting him probationary membership). Besides, not even Gold Feruchemy can remove the aluminum fragments in his legs. Amputation will have to be done first, after which he may heal himself with gold or avail of one of my Regrowth fabrials (kept in storage for emergency cases).

 

Also,what is the ICAS's policy on copperclouds and Leechings? I believe these would enable the ICAS to remove Investiture from their body in an easy and efficient way.

The very nature of the Society means that members should not desire to ingest anything with lerasium in it, even if it would lead to such beneficial powers. After all, we already have the Allomantic technology needed to effect Investiture-destruction and Investiture-hiding when necessary. We will however accept membership from those born with Copper or Chromium Allomancy and who share our rejection of Invested supremacy.

 

We at the DA appreciate the lack of leadership - in fact, Voidus is merely the first lurker, not the most chief. Deference to him is only in respect of his long-standing membership of the guild, much as skaa does here.

I do not usually lurk in the guild forums, and even now do not wish to make a habit of it, for there is just too much theorizing left to do. I have intentionally made the Two Rules a bit vague so as to allow the members enough freedom of interpretation, which should make the debates more interesting, but I as Founder do hope that they will keep the spirit of The Two-Part Message and the Goal alive in their hearts even after my eventual handing over of the Presidency to whoever wins the election.

Edited February 8, 2015 by skaa

[Redbird he/him]

So does anyone have anything they would like to say for or against hemalurgy involving animals?

[skaa he/him]

So does anyone have anything they would like to say for or against hemalurgy involving animals?

 

So far the members have only acknowledged the difficulty of the question, so you might have to wait a bit more for an answer. I personally do not want to involve myself in questions of ethics regarding non-sentient creatures, but the consensus of the discussions will be the opinion of the Society. Or we might end up giving up on this topic and collectively say "We have no opinion on the matter."

Edited February 4, 2015 by skaa

[Lindel he/him]

 The benefit of all? What of the victims who, unless the DA have had a breakthrough in Hemalurgic Investiture acquisition, are all dead? 

 

The Dark Alley:

We do what we must

because we can

For the good of all of us.

Except the ones who are dead.

 

But there's no sense crying over every mistake.

You just keep on trying till you run out of spikes.

The Hemalurgy gets done, and you make a Metalborn

For the people who are Still Alive. 

Edited February 4, 2015 by Lindel

[skaa he/him]

I am GLaD you shared that insightful analysis of DA philosophy, Lindel!

Edited February 5, 2015 by skaa

[Shlee]

There would have to be degrees of sentience - Stick is not as sentient as Hoid... probably.

Definitely less eloquent, at least.

 

I'd say no to the hemalurgy and animals. But that could be my bias against the gruesome brutality and thieving nature of the hemalurgic system. Do not the animals have a right to live free of spikes? And the stick plants as well? 

[mail-mi he/him]

 

The Dark Alley:

We do what we must

because we can

For the good of all of us.

Except the ones who are dead.

 

But there's no sense crying over every mistake.

You just keep on trying till you run out of spikes.

The Hemalurgy gets done, and you make a Metalborn

For the people who are Still Alive. 

 

 

This is going in my sig

[Screwloose]

Greetings fellow non powered, non invested and certainly no Epic humans. *Adjusts sunglasses* It's a pleasure to be here.

[kinxer he/him]

Skaa, I am still uncertain. Screwloose's greeting also brings up the question of Epics. They technically do not utilize Investiture. Also, I'm not convinced that utilizing inborn or bestowed Investiture-(or otherwise-)based abilities for the good of all isn't at least as noble as your seeming exclusivity at a high cost. After all, your insistence on not using abilities definitely excludes Allomantic Savants, as they grow dependent on metal use. I suppose detox may be possible, but your support during that time had better be incredible if you intend such a thing.

[skaa he/him]

After all, your insistence on not using abilities definitely excludes Allomantic Savants, as they grow dependent on metal use. I suppose detox may be possible, but your support during that time had better be incredible if you intend such a thing.

Graaah! And am I to waste Regrowth on these self-abusers?! I am a revolutionary scholar, kinxer! Not a doctor! There are enough Savant hospitals on Scadrial for the likes of these! If, after detox, they've actually learned their lesson about how dangerous Investiture can be for the body, that's when I'll let them in!

*calms down a bit and looks at Screwloose*

Speaking of powers that can destroy oneself, I expect you already know to not use yours unless in the presence of enemies, Screwloose, and even then only if your standard-issue weapons won't work. That rule shall apply here even after you've defeated your weakness, which you should try doing anyway as soon as possible for the safety of all. You, along with Snoopy, are on probation.

*goes off for a drink*

[Out-of-character: I wonder if I should keep the Society thread strictly non-RP for now? I'm starting to regret how single-minded my character needs to be for him to be believable. Members! Let's take a vote. Do you want this thread to stick to non-RP discussions on Invested technology? Or do you want me to keep playing this game of being a professionally aggrieved rebel leader?]

Edited February 5, 2015 by skaa

[Cheese United he/him]

I'm fine either way. They both are fascinating.

[Guest]

In re to Skaa: yes.

[kinxer he/him]

Hm... I certainly see your point about the Savants, though I wasn't at all suggesting an Investiture-based healing program for them but rather a program of personal emotional and physical support while weaning them off of metal use.

 

Also, I'm still conflicted about whether I want to commit myself to a group like this. I would prefer to concoct ways of using technology and Investiture-based abilities to promote social equality and Cosmere-wide community than to forsake Investiture altogether. Indeed, while your observations about oppression are accurate, this is common to most any situation in which one group has a greater level of capability in using violence to their ends than another. In this case, it just happens to be a wider gap than, say, a particularly strong person versus a weak person (in terms of musculature). In both cases, however, if someone "loses" and dies, they're just as dead. In addition, Investiture-based abilities and technologies require the honing of skill for effective use, which, to a certain extent, precludes the acquisition of other skills. Perhaps a Mistborn is an effective killing machine, but at the same time s/he may be rubbish at public speaking, or mathematics, or social interactions (sans violent social interactions).

 

I think that I will wait to see the sort of organization this becomes before committing myself to it, if I choose to do so.

[Screwloose]

"Why you must have me mistaken for some dashing goggle wearing epic, who i'm told is also a master of disguise. I am merely a regular non powered human. Heh." *Screwloose fidgets conspicuously.*

 

Sorry, couldn't resist one last bit of role play. I'm with kinxer, it's better to provide access to investiture related benefits to the masses. That way everyone wins rather than the just having empowered losing.

[Lindel he/him]

I like the roleplaying. Although, I don't as of yet have a character. I think it's possible to do both the roleplaying and the discussion. Some of the discussing may need to be done out of character, but other than that it should work to continue both. 

[skaa he/him]

The widespread use of safe non-invasive fabrials, Allomantic Technology (i.e. accessing the Allomantic potential of metals without ingesting them), and other non-invasive Investiture-technology are part of the Society's aims. I thought that was obvious. We also investigate invasive Investiture as part of our weapons research so that we are aware of possible weaknesses we can exploit. And exploit them we will! The Invested Oligarchs shall see that their rule is at an end! The rule of the masses is at hand!

Edited February 5, 2015 by skaa

[Ashiok]

For those uneducated about the wonders of SE, blue text can be used to denote OOC stuff.

Edited February 6, 2015 by Ashiok

[skaa he/him]

(Edit: The contents of this post was irretrievably lost by a stupid edit I made. Sorry.) Edited February 9, 2015 by skaa

[Ashiok]

Sanderson elimination (cosmere based mafia). Lots of OOc stuff there

[skaa he/him]

Sanderson elimination (cosmere based mafia). Lots of OOc stuff there

 

Ah, I see. That one. I don't think I'm ready to tackle the SE quite yet. I am not as brave as my character here seems to be.

 

 

Definitely less eloquent, at least.

 

I'd say no to the hemalurgy and animals. But that could be my bias against the gruesome brutality and thieving nature of the hemalurgic system. Do not the animals have a right to live free of spikes? And the stick plants as well?

 

Your courage to take a stand against Hemalurgy impresses me, Shlee. Would you like to join the Society?

[Left he/him]

Greetings fellow scholars, quite nice to have some friendly scientists around instead of just the DA and whatever magical science I merge together from ten different universes. I must admit got a little lost in your introduction post, what exactly is the "intent" of the guild? RP and theorizing at the same time? I'd love to run some mist based hemalurgical machines past you.

[Lindel he/him]

The difficulty confronting us in studying the field of Allomantic Technology is that there's just so much we don't understand. Theorizing is great and all, but we can't really get anywhere without at least some information. For example, we know that it's theoretically possible to infuse a spike with Mist. What we don't know is whether that's what Southern Scadrial uses in their Allomantic Technology, and we have nothing to go on as to the properties such a spike would have. We just don't have enough data. 

[Guest]

The difficulty confronting us in studying the field of Allomantic Technology is that there's just so much we don't understand. Theorizing is great and all, but we can't really get anywhere without at least some information. For example, we know that it's theoretically possible to infuse a spike with Mist. What we don't know is whether that's what Southern Scadrial uses in their Allomantic Technology, and we have nothing to go on as to the properties such a spike would have. We just don't have enough data. 

WoB, please?