Shivertongue he/him Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 THIS THREAD WILL MOST LIKELY CONTAIN SPOILERS. Discussion thread for the Great Reread, pertaining to book 12, The Gathering Storm. This is book number twelve, the first written - using extensive notes from Robert Jordan - by Brandon Sanderson. And for those of you who thought you could just read the Sanderson books... Well, YOU'RE WRONG. You're missing so much backstory! You don't know who leads the Band of the Red Hand, what saa is, and you don't yet hate Cadsuane NEARLY enough! Come back when you even know what I'm talking about without Google. Everyone else, great job! For information and to join The Great Reread, please go here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeshdan he/him Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 In this book, Cadsuane mentions that she tested herself against the a'dam, trying to figure out a way to break its effects. I'm mildly surprised that she didn't think of this: The a'dam will let you touch the catch, as long as you have no intention of opening it. So, it should be possible to concentrate on rubbing the collar or something of that sort while keeping "open the catch" in the back of your mind. Then when you brush up against the catch, you pop it open before the a'dam "realizes" what you have in mind. It might take a few hours to get the balance right, but it should work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizee Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 In this book, Cadsuane mentions that she tested herself against the a'dam, trying to figure out a way to break its effects. I'm mildly surprised that she didn't think of this: The a'dam will let you touch the catch, as long as you have no intention of opening it. So, it should be possible to concentrate on rubbing the collar or something of that sort while keeping "open the catch" in the back of your mind. Then when you brush up against the catch, you pop it open before the a'dam "realizes" what you have in mind. It might take a few hours to get the balance right, but it should work. Did you ever do something for a reason without thinking of the reason- on purpose? You might do it if you're not trying not to think of it, but then why would you be fumbling with the collar... What you're suggesting sounds rather impossible to me. Keeping something in the back of your mind is something used fairly often in fantasy literature, but I don't think it is realistic, and I would be disappointed in RJ if he used "keeping it in the back of your mind" as a solution to a problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan he/him Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 The only way I could see it working would be if you could convince yourself, completely and utterly, that what you are doing with your hand is not opening the catch, but something else entirely. I'm not sure that's possible. Maybe via hypnosis? (I mean, if this were the Kingkiller Chronicles a sympathist could probably pull it off, but the mental gymnastics in those books don't seem very possible to me either. ) Incidentally, this method could work for circumventing any Oath taken on the Oath Rod. All Oaths rely on the information in your own mind. Change that information, and you change how the Oath is enforced. But, well, again...probably not possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesinthedark he/him Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 The only way I could see it working would be if you could convince yourself, completely and utterly, that what you are doing with your hand is not opening the catch, but something else entirely. I'm not sure that's possible. Maybe via hypnosis? (I mean, if this were the Kingkiller Chronicles a sympathist could probably pull it off, but the mental gymnastics in those books don't seem very possible to me either. ) Incidentally, this method could work for circumventing any Oath taken on the Oath Rod. All Oaths rely on the information in your own mind. Change that information, and you change how the Oath is enforced. But, well, again...probably not possible. Well, despite the honesty oath, Aes Sedai weren't exactly known for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozndevl Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Just finished up, and dark Rand was a fun read. The acceptance that LTT wasn't a random voice, but merely himself from another age was well written, IMO. The White Tower plot line annoyed me this time as much as it did the last time, it was just wrapped up much too neatly for my taste. Another thing I have wondered is just how many Seanchan came over on the ships and how big is their army. Secondarily, how quickly are they able to break those they collar and turn them into weapons. Will there be enough time between the White Tower raid and the Last Battle for them to become useful? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHyde she/her Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 I'm not at this book in my reread yet, but I had a question about it. Was Egwene the only one who was fighting back during the Seanchan attack on the Tower? It seems like fighting back with the Power would go against the Third Oath, since the Seanchan were trying to capture, not kill, Aes Sedai. Though I suppose many of the other Aes Sedai wouldn't know what the Seanchan were trying to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozndevl Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I'm not at this book in my reread yet, but I had a question about it. Was Egwene the only one who was fighting back during the Seanchan attack on the Tower? It seems like fighting back with the Power would go against the Third Oath, since the Seanchan were trying to capture, not kill, Aes Sedai. Though I suppose many of the other Aes Sedai wouldn't know what the Seanchan were trying to do. In addition to Egewene going bonkers against the Seanchan, there was another group Of Aes Sedai on the lower levels that were attempting to fight back, as well as directing the Tower Guard. As for them fighting back, first of all, the Aes Sedai weren't all that successful in fighting back. Regardless, they can use the power to defend themselves "To save her own life, or her Warder's, or the life of another sister" I think that they could easily say that they were doing one of those two things. Also, they may have believed that there were Shadowspawn fighting them when they say the Raken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHyde she/her Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 In addition to Egewene going bonkers against the Seanchan, there was another group Of Aes Sedai on the lower levels that were attempting to fight back, as well as directing the Tower Guard. As for them fighting back, first of all, the Aes Sedai weren't all that successful in fighting back. Regardless, they can use the power to defend themselves "To save her own life, or her Warder's, or the life of another sister" I think that they could easily say that they were doing one of those two things. Also, they may have believed that there were Shadowspawn fighting them when they say the Raken. Okay yeah, I suppose it's pretty reasonable for them to think their lives were in danger. And now I think of it, the Seanchan probably were actually trying to kill any Warders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethling he/him Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Egwene had her tantrum with Elaida in my reading lastnight. I also liked the scene where Tyree comes in with the Trolloc heads and Tuon and Selucia contemplate how much of what Mat said they dismissed as pure fantasy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telcontar Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Done with TGS. Started with ToM. One weekend left to get ToM done. And Tuesday it's time for AMoL. Wow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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