Ed Healy Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Personally, I'm leaning towards Electrum, so that all normal metals would be matched pairs, and then Atium. Atium is already part of the core set. What would your choice be after Electrum, now?
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 There's a huge discussion about it in the Kickstarter comments. Currently I'm leaning towards Lerasium, though I want to see the NPC builder first if I can.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 As it says, I stole it from Herowannabe. He made it. but thanks. 2
Windrunner he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Finally got around to backing! Not sure what extra dice I'd vote for. Personally I'm leaning towards malatium, because that would encompass all metals known in the first Mistborn book (except for that aluminum cameo, but I'm ignoring that xD) or lerasium, so both god metals are in the set.
Argent he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Lerasium, probably, yeah. Though visually I like duralumin the most.
Herowannabe he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) As it says, I stole it from Herowannabe. He made it. but thanks.Happy to have it stolen! Joe asked me how I made the allomancy symbols, and I thought I'd share with everyone else, too: I made them a while ago to add to the emoticon set used at steelministry.com, along with 2 inquisitor emoticons. If I remember right all I did was take the images for the symbols from the coppermind wiki, then shrink them down to the right size and make the white space transparent, using photoshop. (Hmm... This has me thinking, I should petition Chaos to add the Allomancy symbols to the site's emoticon set...) Edited January 23, 2015 by Herowannabe 2
Ed Healy Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 (Hmm... This has me thinking, I should petition Chaos to add the Allomancy symbols to the site's emoticon set...) Have Chaos email me and I'll get some high rez versions ready... [email protected] 4
Blaze1616 he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I'm thinking electrum to match all the pairs, though Lerasium would be nice too to get both god metals. 1
Kadrok she/her Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I'm thinking electrum to match all the pairs, though Lerasium would be nice too to get both god metals. That was my thinking as well. 2
Oudeis he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Atium is already part of the core set. What would your choice be after Electrum, now? You misunderstood, I realize I was a bit unclear. I meant that if we get electrum, the dice will be "several normal base metals with all of their partners, also one God Metal [Atium]." Honestly, what I'd select for the second one I'm unsure... Lerasium seems obvious, then every metal we have would be a pair. Someone mentioned we could get Aluminum, as it makes an appearance in the first book. Kurk made the good point that there are reasons to put malatium on the back burner. For personal reasons I'd lean towards duralumin, since I'm currently playing a duralumin Compounder in a MAG game so it would be nice to roll my actual power, but that game's not going great so maybe not. Honestly I kind of like the idea of voting correctly which is sorta why I'm hoping to see how most people are voting, and if I agree with the sentiment joining in, so whatever we get I can say, "I helped!" Which is silly, I know, but it's just some dice for a game. 3
Gamma Fiend he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) $30k reached, with 35 hours to go! O.o We might even get 2 Exclusive Dice at this point, which would help narrow down the debate over which ones to chose!Just remember: A vote for Lerasium is a vote for Harmony. Edit: Next Exclusive is unlocked at $35k, by the way. Edited January 23, 2015 by Gamma Fiend 2
Argent he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I'll be honest, I didn't think we were going to hit $30,000. Or 1,000 backers for that matter. I am incredibly happy that we did, but I had a disturbing lack of faith. 3
Ed Healy Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I'll be honest, I didn't think we were going to hit $30,000. Or 1,000 backers for that matter. I am incredibly happy that we did, but I had a disturbing lack of faith. 5
Gamma Fiend he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Sazed would be disturbed by your lack of Faith. I honestly didn't expect to reach this point either though! Can't wait to use these bad boys... (In Summer...) But I will totally start using them for rolls in my Elimination games! 1
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I'll be honest, I didn't think we were going to hit $30,000. Or 1,000 backers for that matter. I am incredibly happy that we did, but I had a disturbing lack of faith. Heck, it was only 3 days ago that I was vocally expressing doubt that we'd hit the gold/atium level. You are not alone. I am quite gleeful over having to eat those words, though. 2
Blaze1616 he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 All right, now that we are definitly getting one bonus, I'm voting electrum. If we hit $35k, I'll vote Lerasium as well. 2
Oudeis he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 How will the votes go if we reach $35K? Will everyone just pick their favorite and the top two become the new dice? Does everyone get two votes? Will there be two separate polls, we vote once, pick one, then vote again from all runners up? There seems to be a lot of people who want "electrum and lerasium" and a smaller number of people who want "malatium and something else." I'm afraid that depending on how we vote, the electrum/lerasium people's vote might get split, and they'll come in 2nd and 3rd place while the smaller group of people all voting malatium end up as a vocal minority. Voting is complicated. Yes, I am a politics wonk. The sad fact is, unless there are only two options and one winner, there are very few ways to hold a vote that will be both simple and an accurate reflection of what people really want. You'd think it would be simple; it really, really isn't. Depending on how the votes will end up being counted, I might start a campaign to get people to vote certain ways to ensure the outcome they actually want.
Ed Healy Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 How will the votes go if we reach $35K? Alex and Pat and I haven't discussed the actual voting mechanism yet. Once the Kickstarter ends, we'll announce the methodology. In the meantime, please sound off about your ideas. We'll take them into account, for sure!
Oudeis he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Well, it will come down to a decision on your part balancing speed/simplicity with accuracy, limited by whatever mechanism you've got for constructing a poll. The very very fastest and simplest is just to ask everyone to pick their favorite metal of the 9 available, and print the two that win. Pretty low accuracy. The most accurate... would be something insane, and would require at least four polls, prolly six. It would also be a long list of heuristics dependent upon how many metals get above a certain percentage of the vote in the first poll, as well as a few other factors. Though granted we are having a debate on the subject, which increases the accuracy by a lot. And the fact that I'll hopefully be able to offer voting advice to anyone who wants it; it is possible to be a more informed voter and to know exactly how to cast your vote to get the outcome you truly want. My actual suggestion will be quick (one single poll) and pretty simple, without sacrificing much in the way of accuracy. Take one massive poll and let everyone pick two metals. The only people who would be missing out are people who feel very strongly about one metal and don't really care about what the second one is. The top two metals get chosen. This will still suffer from a degree of inaccuracy, but it won't sacrifice too very much, and has the beauty of a mostly simple poll. If it's impossible to have a poll with up to two options, you could always release a poll with all 55 possible combinations as the options... Am I doing that math right? That would be a little bit ponderous for the poll-takers but not impossibly so. Just my two cents. 1
WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Author Posted January 23, 2015 Alex and Pat and I haven't discussed the actual voting mechanism yet. Once the Kickstarter ends, we'll announce the methodology. In the meantime, please sound off about your ideas. We'll take them into account, for sure! Well if it makes it to the point where there will be two or more exclusive dice may I suggest Single Transferable Vote? Basically every body ranks the metals in the order that they want them (first choice, second choice, etc.) In order to "win" a metal will have to get a certain percentage of the vote (if there are two exclusives this would be 50%, if there are 3 then it would be 33%, basically 100% divided by how many metals there need to be) If no metal gets at least 50% then the metal with the lowest percentage get's eliminated and those votes go that persons second choice. Repeat eliminating the lowest percentage until you end up with however many are needed. (I probably explained this badly, watch the video I linked, and the footnotes in the description, that will explain things better) 4
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 @Oudeis. It says on the Kickstarter page that all the backers get one vote Per Dollar they've spent. Not 1 vote per backer. So all of us who bought one set have twenty votes, Claicy, who bought ten sets, should have 200 Votes. 2
Titan Arum Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 @Oudeis. It says on the Kickstarter page that all the backers get one vote Per Dollar they've spent. Not 1 vote per backer. So all of us who bought one set have twenty votes, Claicy, who bought ten sets, should have 200 Votes. I feel like the dangerous part to one vote for each dollar spent makes Oudes' first fear even stronger if we are voting for two dice. If people want to strategically pick the two to finish sets (like Electrum/Lerasium), most will probably then split their votes evenly between the two they want. However, if there is a strong minority who just want to see Malatium, just so they can say it's the 11th metal, and then don't care what the second die is, they'll put 100% of their votes to Malatium. Then this would skew/bias the vote and potentially make Malatium one of the two dice selected. However, If we only have one die to vote for though, it won't matter because most of us will put 100% of our votes to one metal.
Oudeis he/him Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 @Oudeis. It says on the Kickstarter page that all the backers get one vote Per Dollar they've spent. Not 1 vote per backer. So all of us who bought one set have twenty votes, Claicy, who bought ten sets, should have 200 Votes. You've sorta missed the point. Regardless of how heavily anyone's vote is weighted, the models should stand up with some simple multiplication. That said, I suppose you point out an assumption I made. I had assumed that the votes themselves are simply weighted, that if I spend $20 and you spend $30, your vote will be counted as 50% greater than my own. It's possible they actually will give me 20 different ballots which I can divide how I wish. I would be surprised if this is the case, as it would make the process far more complicated for both the backer and the pollster, but I was remiss not to point out the possibility. Regardless, even if people cast multiple votes, my models should still stand. Every individual vote will be either "pick your top two metals" or pick one of the following 55 options. Basically what I'm saying is, part of why I didn't address the "weighted votes" is because however they're addressed, they won't affect the models very much. @Arum: Yes, exactly. Your point is precisely what will be fixed with my "pick your top two" option. @Weiry: Watched your STV video. Eh... all of the examples dealt with oversimplified situations. I'm going to have to crunch some numbers on my own and see if the system would still work in more complicated situations (like if less than all of the people who voted for White Tiger had Purple Tiger as their second choice). For all I know the simple versions were presented to us because they are actually representative of situations which are more complicated. However I'm always leery when someone shows me their new model and says, "see it works perfectly fine as long as the situations are simple and easy to deal with." I wanna know how it handles real life.
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