Nicrosil Ferring metalmind filling question

[athosdebro86 he/him]

How would a Nicrosil Ferring or "Soulburst" manage to fill his or her metalminds?  As a Ferring, they have no ability to store any other metal's attributes yes?  And Investiture (the quality that is stored and tapped in Nicrosil) is not a human trait, but pure magic in the Cosmere.  A full Feruchemist can simple drain one of his other metals' metalminds to convert that stored power into Investiture to fill a nicrosil mind.  a twinborn with nicrosil feruchemical powers could store power as it is released from his allomantic 'burning.'   But a Ferring, only able to store or tap 1 metal would have no other source of investiture to draw upon to store in a metal mind.  or would a meditation techinaque allow them to draw in investiture spiritually and funnel pure investiture into their metalmind? 

     Just things i think about lol.  Any thoughts? 

[Oudeis he/him]

These are excellent questions, but unfortunately, until more is released in text or via WoB (and I think he consistently RAFOs these questions) all you'll get in response is speculation.

 

We honestly don't know. Maybe nicrosil stores your innate investiture. Maybe it can be used to store your very ability to use feruchemical nicrosil. Maybe you can touch someone else's metalmind and drain it into yours. Maybe you can use it to drain the mists. Maybe you cannot use it at all. Maybe it can't even be used by a full Feruchemist or even a Twinborn. Any and all theories are, at this point, pretty much equally valid. Any response you get to this will be just someone's speculation or assumption.

 

The closest thing we have to a source on this is the Mistborn Adventure Game, and while the "history" sections are supposed to be canon until they're not, the metallic metaphysics are certainly not, so those are just as speculative as anything else.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

Well we know they can do something, because the Ars Arcanum does not specify Nicrosil Ferrings as Nicrosil Gnats like it does for Aluminum and Duralumin. This would imply that something can be done.

 

Edit: After having hit the Post button it occured to me that the "Gnat" term might have only been used for Aluminum and Duralumin Mistings. I do not have my book with me, nor is there a picture on the internet to confirm.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Blaze1616

[Moogle]

The MAG says they store their "deepest inner parts" of themselves, or somesuch. (Paraphrased.) Completely untrustworthy, though.

 

They're also called Soulbearer Ferrings, which gives a strong hint. Each human seems to have innate Investiture to some degree, so it would make sense if they could store it. It would be like storing your Breath on Nalthis, though maybe your innate Investiture regenerates? Or perhaps the innate Investiture they're storing is not from Preservation or Ruin.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

The MAG says they store their "deepest inner parts" of themselves, or somesuch. (Paraphrased.) Completely untrustworthy, though.

 

They're also called Soulbearer Ferrings, which gives a strong hint. Each human seems to have innate Investiture to some degree, so it would make sense if they could store it. It would be like storing your Breath on Nalthis, though maybe your innate Investiture regenerates? Or perhaps the innate Investiture they're storing is not from Preservation or Ruin.

 

WoB that the all humans have investiture. Also Nightblood (character) spoilers.

 

Q:  Does Nightblood rip souls out of bodies by chance?

A:  Nightblood consumes Investiture, including the spark of life.

 

I'm not sure what this means, though. If the Spark of Life is investiture, can you store that?

Edited November 13, 2014 by Blaze1616

[Lord Tavash Shar]

The MAG says they store their "deepest inner parts" of themselves, or somesuch. (Paraphrased.) Completely untrustworthy, though.

 

They're also called Soulbearer Ferrings, which gives a strong hint. Each human seems to have innate Investiture to some degree, so it would make sense if they could store it. It would be like storing your Breath on Nalthis, though maybe your innate Investiture regenerates? Or perhaps the innate Investiture they're storing is not from Preservation or Ruin.

 

I really do not see how the MAG is completely or even partially untrustworthy in instances like this. The WoB that its cannon unless he specifically says otherwise is a pretty strong statement in its favor unless you have a WoB contradicting it.

[Oudeis he/him]

The actual WoB to which you refer is that specifically historical information on Scadrial is canon until he contradicts it. Even then, the idea that it's true until it's not is a flimsy level of canon. It's like saying that you can totally go through this door, there's not a hungry, angry lion on the other side... but there might be as soon as you open it.

 

And, again, that's only the historical, societal data. The Treatise Metallic doesn't even have that fig leaf of canonicity. Apart from the things they print which are flagrantly non-canon (typically for the purpose of game balance, which is something I approve of) they admit that they more-or-less guessed on the rest of it.

[killersquirrel59 he/him]

The MAG may  be sketchy, but it is what we have for Nicrosil at the moment since Brandon RAFOs pretty much anything related to Nicrosil. 

 

My thoughts are that Nicrosil can store a human's inherent Investiture. Not that much a Soulbearer could do with it though. They'd be about as useless as an Duralumin Gnat since the whole point of Feruchemical nicrosil is to enhance other Feruchemy.

[Voidus]

The MAG may  be sketchy, but it is what we have for Nicrosil at the moment since Brandon RAFOs pretty much anything related to Nicrosil. 

Which kind of makes it even more sketchy, if he already accepted the MAG version of Nicrosil as canonical he wouldn't keep RAFOing questions about it.

[Nahlion Dahlyr he/him]

I think storing most of your investiture inside a nicrosil metalmind probably does something similar to giving away your breath on Nalthis. Compounding likely makes you become more innately invested, so if you compound enough you could probably become immune to lashings and the sort, like a shardblade.

[ostrichofevil he/him]

Maybe you can store your nicrosil feruchemy then tap it as Stormlight or Breath.  You could use it to Awaken objects or infuse spheres (not use Surgebinding, as while all you need for Awakening is Breath, you need a Nahel bond for Surgebinding).

[Lindel he/him]

Only humans on Nalthis have Breath. If a Nicrosil Ferring stored their own Innate Investure, that's exactly what they'd get back, not a Breath. It wouldn't change to Investiture from an entirely different Shardworld just by being stored in a Metalmind.  

Edited December 30, 2014 by Lindel

[ostrichofevil he/him]

Only humans on Nalthis have Breath. If a Nicrosil Ferring stored their own Innate Investure, that's exactly what they'd get back, not a Breath. It wouldn't change to Investiture from an entirely different Shardworld just by being stored in a Metalmind.  

I don't think that investiture is really that different between Shardworlds; it all comes from Adonalsium.

[WeiryWriter he/him]

I don't think that investiture is really that different between Shardworlds; it all comes from Adonalsium.

Lindel is correct, Breath are of Endowment. Scadrians only have Investiture from Preservation and Ruin.

[dvoraen]

I was pondering on whether or not a Nicrosil Ferring - double Nicrosil Twinborn, really - is a required component for FTL on Scadrial. Basically, they store Investiture, burn the metalmind(s) via Allomancy, and use that enhanced power burst to fuel the space-time warp (of the requisite Allomancers).

Edited December 31, 2014 by dvoraen