Kaladins gonna fall in love with veil(spoilers)

[Wit422]

Think about it... It makes perfect sense. He has no intrest in light eyes, and veil is supposedly an attractive dark eyes... Wouldn't that be great!?

[Natanaj he/him]

i thought about this as well, but i wouldn't be so certain.

[king of nowhere]

1) he had no interest in lighteyes. I'm prone to believe that after events at the end of words of radiance, he'll overcome his prejudice.

2) veil is certainly not the persona shallan wears around normally. she only goes around as veil when she needs to meet ghostbloods, and she don't give confidence to other people at the time. it would be hard for her to interact with kaladin that way.

3) veil is a deceptive con artist. not someone kaladin would like.

4) no, it would no be great. the "fall in love with the secret identity" has been done to death already. we don't need more of it

4b) when the "fall in love with the secret identity" is done, generally it's the hero trying to woo the girl who loves his secret identity, trying to make her love also his mundane self. shallan is already with adolin, and i don't really want to see a love triangle. especially that one; it would feel overly forced.

So, no, I don't think it will happen.

[Zea mays]

You know what would be funny? Adolin encountering Veil, getting strongly Attracted to her, and feeling confused and torn about this.

[maxal she/her]

1) he had no interest in lighteyes. I'm prone to believe that after events at the end of words of radiance, he'll overcome his prejudice.

2) veil is certainly not the persona shallan wears around normally. she only goes around as veil when she needs to meet ghostbloods, and she don't give confidence to other people at the time. it would be hard for her to interact with kaladin that way.

3) veil is a deceptive con artist. not someone kaladin would like.

4) no, it would no be great. the "fall in love with the secret identity" has been done to death already. we don't need more of it

4b) when the "fall in love with the secret identity" is done, generally it's the hero trying to woo the girl who loves his secret identity, trying to make her love also his mundane self. shallan is already with adolin, and i don't really want to see a love triangle. especially that one; it would feel overly forced.

So, no, I don't think it will happen.

 

Good ones. Besides, Kaladin will not be in Urithiru for a while, so the opportunity may never present itself. I do not like this idea either. The hero falling in love with the secret identity of a girl he actually start of hating has been done over and over again. In the context of SA, I do agree it would feel forced. Adolin and Shallan are a cute couple and there are struggles ahead for them. I see no reasons to introduce Kaladin into the mix just so he could get a love interest. There are other possibilities for Kaladin.

 

 

You know what would be funny? Adolin encountering Veil, getting strongly Attracted to her, and feeling confused and torn about this.

 

Adolin attracted to a darkeye? I do not think he is there yet... If Adolin ever encounters Veil, he'll most likely think something is definitely wrong with her, but won't be able to explain it. He'll keep tab on her as he will be convinced this individual is hiding something important without exactly knowing how it is he feels this way.

[Natanaj he/him]

You know what would be funny? Adolin encountering Veil, getting strongly Attracted to her, and feeling confused and torn about this.

the thing is that adolin already knows shallan is a lightweaver, so theres no real reason shallan would keep a secret from him.

[Bloodfalcon he/him]

4b)  shallan is already with adolin, and i don't really want to see a love triangle. especially that one; it would feel overly forced.

So, no, I don't think it will happen.

 

I think you're going to be disappointed here. There's a storm a'brewin, and I'm not referencing the two circling the planet. 

[Wit422]

Thanks... At least one person didn't shoot down my idea, all your points are pretty legit, for being opinions

[Kyats Rani she/her]

Think about it... It makes perfect sense. He has no intrest in light eyes, and veil is supposedly an attractive dark eyes... Wouldn't that be great!?

Technically that is possible...

Though there's still the matter of Kaladin currently leaving Urithiru for an unknown amount of time. So much can happen that there's a possibility that he will never even have a chance to see Veil in the first place (not to mention that Shallan pretends to be Veil only while dealing with Ghostbloods so technically - sneaking around and taking part in secret meetings).

 

I do agree with you about the lighteyes part.

 

But I heavily disagree with the opinion that Kal falling in love with Veil would be great. To me it would be an awful turn of events. The last thing I want to see in SA is a love triangle between Kaladin, Adolin and Shallan in any way (even including Veil). But of course, everyone can have their own opinion

[navybrandt he/him]

I think there is a WoB that there will be some sort of conflict between Kaladin, Shallan, and Adolin referencing a love-triangle.

 

 

Q:  Please don't tell me you're going to do a love triangle between Adolin, Kaladin, and Shallan.
A:  [Phrased very carefully] I'm not a fan of the traditional love triangle. However, I am fond of conflict in relationships.

[hoser he/him]

Kaladin, Adolin, Dalinar, Jasnah or Navani interacting w/one of Shallan's secret identities could be interesting and amusing up to a point.  I trust Brandon not to make it tedious or overwrought. 

 

I don't see Shallan being Veil except on a mission for the Ghostbloods.  The only "advantage" being Veil has over being a random lighteyes is that the Ghostbloods would recognize her.  In most circumstances, that would be a disadvantage.  So I don't see Veil occurring much, if at all. 

 

The point of the OP is not dependant on Shallan being Veil particularly, anyway, so this is mostly irrelevant. 

[maxal she/her]

I think there is a WoB that there will be some sort of conflict between Kaladin, Shallan, and Adolin referencing a love-triangle.

 

Conflict does not mean love triangle...

[navybrandt he/him]

Conflict does not mean love triangle...

agreed!

 

Also, wasn't Shallan/Veil found out by the Ghostbloods by the end of WoR anyway?  So, is the whole Veil persona even necessary anymore?  I can see her still using it for darkeyes undercover work, but not to fool the Ghostbloods anymore.

[Kyats Rani she/her]

Also, wasn't Shallan/Veil found out by the Ghostbloods by the end of WoR anyway?  So, is the whole Veil persona even necessary anymore?  I can see her still using it for darkeyes undercover work, but not to fool the Ghostbloods anymore.

 

You're right. I forgot about that... But still it's not very likely Kaladin will even meet Veil. But not completely impossible either...

 

 

Kaladin, Adolin, Dalinar, Jasnah or Navani interacting w/one of Shallan's secret identities could be interesting and amusing up to a point.  I trust Brandon not to make it tedious or overwrought. 

 

Some interaction with Veil (or other secret identity) may be very interesting... Especially form Shallan's pov - will they recognise her somehow? isn't she acting/talking too much like herself? I can totally see her worrying like that...

[RawToast225 he/him]

No, he won't. This is just flat out fanciful and/or ridiculous.

[Pathfinder]

What if the conflict is Kal finds out about Veil, and that it is Shallan. He was suspicious of her to begin with, maybe that brings that back up, and Adolin thinking Kal just wants to get with her, ends up causing a problem between all three. Thoughts?

 

For instance:

 

Kal: Adolin, I don't like Shallan, you shouldn't trust her. You two shouldn't be together

 

Adolin: Bah she is amazing. Why do you keep pushing me to stay away from her? Are you trying something?

 

etc

Edited November 11, 2014 by Pathfinder

[maxal she/her]

What if the conflict is Kal finds out about Veil, and that it is Shallan. He was suspicious of her to begin with, maybe that brings that back up, and Adolin thinking Kal just wants to get with her, en

ds up causing a problem between all three. Thoughts?

 

For instance:

 

Kal: Adolin, I don't like Shallan, you shouldn't trust her. You two shouldn't be together

 

Adolin: Bah she is amazing. Why do you keep pushing me to stay away from her? Are you trying something?

 

etc

 

I think the conflict is more likely to be:

 

Adolin: "Shallan is now one of the most important person in the world while I am just... nothing anymore. Worst, I am a murderer and a criminal. Why would she ever want to be with me? I am not good enough for her, I do not deserve her. Besides, she has been acting distant lately, she must have come to the same conclusion: they all do. First it goes well and then... they all want to leave me. She does not love me, I am not a Radiant: I did not deserved to be one... How can I be her husband?"

 

Shallan: "Now that my family is safe, I do not need this betrothal anymore, although I kinda like Adolin: he is so dreamily handsome. Does this mean I have to marry him? I have just found out my freedom, it may be best to just leave it as is. Besides, I have hordes of things to do with the Radiants and the Ghostbloods... Adolin will understand if I do not have time for him anymore. I am just 17, what is the hurry in getting married anyway?"

 

Adolin: "Wait, hold on... Shallan and Kaladin cuddled while being in the chasm? She told him what? She never said those things to me.... I guess she did not trust me enough, but she trusted the bridgeboy. It is just like Renarin... He did not trust me either. Of course, I am unworthy of their trust as I was not chosen like them to be a Radiant, that and the fact I betrayed father by killing Sadeas. Yeah, I am untrustworthy, they are right to keep me apart. Shallan should go to the bridgeboy.... She deserves to be happy, I want her to be happy."

 

Or something along those lines.

[Surgebound Rainspren he/him]

Though this would make several fan fiction writers rejoice. it would be incredibly annoying, we already spent more than half of a book with two of the characters hating each other and if this were to happen we'd spent even more time yelling at words on a page for people to be freinds already! 

[maxal she/her]

Though this would make several fan fiction writers rejoice. it would be incredibly annoying, we already spent more than half of a book with two of the characters hating each other and if this were to happen we'd spent even more time yelling at words on a page for people to be freinds already! 

 

Reading Kaladin and Adolin endlessly bickering was one of my favorite part of WoR. I never got tired of it and I sure hope they'll be more of it in the next book. A touch of drama could also help turning these two into real friends.

 

It has been heavily foreshadowed the Adolin and Shallan relationship will encounter some hardships. Nothing fancy here in thinking they may break up. Another touch of drama may help these two realize they are made for each other or not.

[Twenty@20 he/him]

While I agree that Adolin may think himself to be not worthy enough for Shallan, I think he won't mind too much that Shallan and Kal cuddled in the chasms, considering they were in a life and death situation. Adolin is practical enough to know that in such situations social etiquette goes for a toss (yes I am referring to the shardshitting tale )

An added source of confict may arise depending on Adolin's future vis-à-vis Sadeas' death. Shallan may have to decide to what extent she can support Adolin, if Dalinar or the nobility in general wants to punish Adolin. On the other hand, this crisis may lead to strengthening their love. Who knows with coming desolation, they may decide to marry quickly so that they can take care I'd other things. You would love that Maxal, wouldn't you?

Edited November 12, 2014 by Twenty@20

[Kyats Rani she/her]

Reading Kaladin and Adolin endlessly bickering was one of my favorite part of WoR. I never got tired of it and I sure hope they'll be more of it in the next book. A touch of drama could also help turning these two into real friends.

Personally, I think that they already started turning into real friends and what they need now is not more drama but just more interactions,something to work on together, maybe (I don't know, a mission assigned to them or anything). Ideally (at least for me) it would be so that Kaladin will end up being the only one supporting Adolin after the truth about Sadeas comes out (with Dalinar disappointed, Shallan busy and Renarin drifting away from his brother due to his Radianthood among other things).

 

But hopefully, their bickering will remain forever

 

 

While I agree that Adolin may think himself to be not worthy enough for Shallan, I think he won't mind too much that Shallan and Kal cuddled in the chasms, considering they were in a life and death situation. Adolin is practical enough to know that in such situations social etiquette goes for a toss (yes I am referring to the shardshitting tale )

I agree. That's not something Adolin would throw a fit about. He would understand.

 

 

In my opinion, the conflict will simply be Adolin and Shallan drifting apart. Adolin will think himself not worthy enough and he will be in poor mental state in general (due to murdering Sadeas and therefore disappointing Dalinar). He will need somebody to be there for him, to comfort him and so on. And Shallan simply won't be that somebody. Now why? Because she will have different priorities.  Currently, she doesn't need marriage with Adolin any more (though she may still want it...), so she won't feel so much inclined to keep his attention and so on. Infiltrating Ghostbloods and saving the world will be the only things she will focus on. And Adolin won't be making things easier for her so she will simply have no time for him. I imagine him coming to her looking for support and her snapping at him (too much stress ) not to interrupt her work. He will feel completely abandoned and won't bother her anymore. Of course, sometime in the future Shallan will realize her mistake and feel bad for it...

 

 

As for Kaladin and Veil... He doesn't seem the kind of person to fall in love just like that. He may appreciate Veil's looks or something like that, but for him to fall for her they would have to actually interact for more than a brief meeting (or even a few of such). And that is not likely to happen. I don't see Shallan wasting her time being Veil (or any other secret identity) any longer than she absolutely must.

[maxal she/her]

While I agree that Adolin may think himself to be not worthy enough for Shallan, I think he won't mind too much that Shallan and Kal cuddled in the chasms, considering they were in a life and death situation. Adolin is practical enough to know that in such situations social etiquette goes for a toss (yes I am referring to the shardshitting tale )

 

I don't know.... I am not sure Adolin would be 100% fine with it... Learning Shallan trusted the bridgeboy before him may hurt him. He trusted her, he confided into her, but she did not see fit to do the same. We understand why, but will Adolin?

 

 

An added source of confict may arise depending on Adolin's future vis-à-vis Sadeas' death. Shallan may have to decide to what extent she can support Adolin, if Dalinar or the nobility in general wants to punish Adolin. On the other hand, this crisis may lead to strengthening their love. Who knows with coming desolation, they may decide to marry quickly so that they can take care I'd other things. You would love that Maxal, wouldn't you?

 

Of course I would love it One of my crazy scenarios is Adolin and Shallan secretly marrying themselves once they finally realize they are good together.

 

I think we can safely assume Shallan would not take Dalinar's side. I personally doubt Shallan would look down on Adolin for murdering Sadeas, but I do think she will be so busy, she won't be there to actively support Adolin.

 

 

Personally, I think that they already started turning into real friends and what they need now is not more drama but just more interactions,something to work on together, maybe (I don't know, a mission assigned to them or anything). Ideally (at least for me) it would be so that Kaladin will end up being the only one supporting Adolin after the truth about Sadeas comes out (with Dalinar disappointed, Shallan busy and Renarin drifting away from his brother due to his Radianthood among other things).

 

But hopefully, their bickering will remain forever

 

I kinda want them to fight But I do think Kal will stand behind his friend because he did stand behind him when no one else would. He made a strong impression to Kaladin that day and Kaladin struck me as the kind of guy that would return the favor.

 

 

In my opinion, the conflict will simply be Adolin and Shallan drifting apart. Adolin will think himself not worthy enough and he will be in poor mental state in general (due to murdering Sadeas and therefore disappointing Dalinar). He will need somebody to be there for him, to comfort him and so on. And Shallan simply won't be that somebody. Now why? Because she will have different priorities.  Currently, she doesn't need marriage with Adolin any more (though she may still want it...), so she won't feel so much inclined to keep his attention and so on. Infiltrating Ghostbloods and saving the world will be the only things she will focus on. And Adolin won't be making things easier for her so she will simply have no time for him. I imagine him coming to her looking for support and her snapping at him (too much stress ) not to interrupt her work. He will feel completely abandoned and won't bother her anymore. Of course, sometime in the future Shallan will realize her mistake and feel bad for it...

 

Yes. This. This is exactly how I see it. Adolin will sink and nobody will be there for him, for various reasons, but the end result will be the same. I do see him feeling completely abandoned and go on to undertake some ridiculously dangerous task simply because he'll think he is expendable: he is not a Radiant, he is a murderer and nobody seem to care about him anymore.

 

I really love the idea of him half killing himself to save everyone only to end up being saved by everyone.

[Twenty@20 he/him]

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I think we can safely assume Shallan would not take Dalinar's side. I personally doubt Shallan would look down on Adolin for murdering Sadeas, but I do think she will be so busy, she won't be there to actively support Adolin.

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I thought there was a possibility of Shallan having to decide between maintaining unity with Dalinar versus giving full support to Adolin, if(and thats a big if) the father-son duo become estranged. Of course she wouldn't breakup with Adolin over it but she will also have to keep in mind that Radiants arguing against each other will not be helpful either.

Ya, Adolin going on a suicide mission is also another possibility. Perhaps he will bond a spren or say some oaths then.

[maxal she/her]

I thought there was a possibility of Shallan having to decide between maintaining unity with Dalinar versus giving full support to Adolin, if(and thats a big if) the father-son duo become estranged. Of course she wouldn't breakup with Adolin over it but she will also have to keep in mind that Radiants arguing against each other will not be helpful either.

 

I remember reading somewhere Brandon said Shallan did not feel a strong incentive to obey to Dalinar... She is pretty much her own person and I took it for granted she'll follow Dalinar's lead only if it serves her interest. She could side against him in support of Adolin assuming she does not get too entangled into her own plots to realize something is going on with her fiance

 

 

Ya, Adolin going on a suicide mission is also another possibility. Perhaps he will bond a spren or say some oaths then.

 

I totally see Adolin going on a suicide mission in an ultimate effort to redeem himself in the eyes of Dalinar. Upon realizing they are sacrificing their son, brother, friend, fiance, the Radiants would promptly come to his rescue. He'll nearly kill imself, but in the process, he'll jump start his bond by starting the awakening of his Blade

[Kyats Rani she/her]

I thought there was a possibility of Shallan having to decide between maintaining unity with Dalinar versus giving full support to Adolin, if(and thats a big if) the father-son duo become estranged. Of course she wouldn't breakup with Adolin over it but she will also have to keep in mind that Radiants arguing against each other will not be helpful either.

 

I don't think Shallan will follow Dalinar, unless she feels like it. She will think that they want to trap her like her father did. To me she seems paranoid about this (whenever somebody cares for her, tries to protect her or tell her what to do, even if they are right about it), which is understandable given her past. Right now she tries very hard to prove to the world (and herself) that she doesn't need anyone to protect/help/guide her. She knows better than anyone (when she speaks during the meeting before the battle or at the very end when she openly disapproves of Dalinar allowing Kaladin to go to Heartstone), so she won't listen to anyone unless it serves her own interests. That is one thing that I currently dislike about her, but I hope that in the next books she will come to her senses and admit that everyone, even her, can't do everything alone

 

 

I totally see Adolin going on a suicide mission in an ultimate effort to redeem himself in the eyes of Dalinar. Upon realizing they are sacrificing their son, brother, friend, fiance, the Radiants would promptly come to his rescue. He'll nearly kill imself, but in the process, he'll jump start his bond by starting the awakening of his Blade

 

While I agree with this idea, I'm not so much convinced that Adolin will go on suicide mission to redeem himself. It may be so or it may be that he throws his life away to achieve something great and prove that he's still useful (as he will doubt himself, being the only non-Radiant in the family). Or it may be both those reasons at once...

 

But I don't want Radiants to come to his rescue - I want Renarin to save his brother from deadly wound with the use of Progression while Kaladin (or even anyone else) fights the danger   Later Adolin is taken to his father, who had been worried sick and is completely elated to see his son alive.

 

Or Adolin may save himself by reviving his Blade, which I also want to see. But he still later may need Renarin to save his life (as in Adolin won the fight but he's too wounded to survive).